R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Like Tree1Likes
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-25-2011, 02:03 PM   #11626
Tech Elite
 
TT_Vert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Streamwood, IL.
Posts: 3,992
Trader Rating: 70 (100%+)
Default

Is there a website I can find starting point set ups for tc5s for vta? I see the factory team drive sheets online but I'm curious what you guys w/ tc5s are doing for set up on tc5s. I'm new to onroad, the tc5 AND vta . I'm just trying to get a good starting point. The car I purchased has an ITF top plate on it if that matters. I'm trying to find write ups on how and when to mess w/ the itf plate, the orings, etc. and also position of the diff in both height and rotation and what is affected when I do. I've read the xray book but it doens't get much into diff height and belt tension and it's affects.

Thanks
Dave
TT_Vert is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 02:04 PM   #11627
Tech Elite
 
Flying Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ringgold, GA
Posts: 4,452
Trader Rating: 54 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_Vert View Post
Is there a website I can find starting point set ups for tc5s for vta? I see the factory team drive sheets online but I'm curious what you guys w/ tc5s are doing for set up on tc5s. I'm new to onroad, the tc5 AND vta . I'm just trying to get a good starting point. The car I purchased has an ITF top plate on it if that matters. I'm trying to find write ups on how and when to mess w/ the itf plate, the orings, etc. and also position of the diff in both height and rotation and what is affected when I do. I've read the xray book but it doens't get much into diff height and belt tension and it's affects.

Thanks
Dave

I have a TC5 also and was told by a few people to run the rubber tire set up and adjust to driving style from there.
__________________
MONKEY BUSINESS RACING
Flinging poo at a track near you! Winning hearts and minds everywhere!
www.graphicmonkeydesigns.com
Brooksphotodesign.net
Flying Monkey is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 02:48 PM   #11628
Tech Elite
 
TT_Vert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Streamwood, IL.
Posts: 3,992
Trader Rating: 70 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Monkey View Post
I have a TC5 also and was told by a few people to run the rubber tire set up and adjust to driving style from there.
Thank you. This may be a dumb questions but do you know if the FT and the T5R/F have differnet diff cams? Some of the cams I have have 16 positions, others just have 8. I'm confused on what I should be using as position A11 isn't available on those 8 position cams.

Thanks
Dave
TT_Vert is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 03:11 PM   #11629
Tech Elite
 
Flying Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Ringgold, GA
Posts: 4,452
Trader Rating: 54 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_Vert View Post
Thank you. This may be a dumb questions but do you know if the FT and the T5R/F have differnet diff cams? Some of the cams I have have 16 positions, others just have 8. I'm confused on what I should be using as position A11 isn't available on those 8 position cams.

Thanks
Dave
no i honestly dont know the difference sorry
__________________
MONKEY BUSINESS RACING
Flinging poo at a track near you! Winning hearts and minds everywhere!
www.graphicmonkeydesigns.com
Brooksphotodesign.net
Flying Monkey is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 03:32 PM   #11630
Tech Champion
 
robk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Posts: 7,588
Trader Rating: 22 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_Vert View Post
Thank you. This may be a dumb questions but do you know if the FT and the T5R/F have differnet diff cams? Some of the cams I have have 16 positions, others just have 8. I'm confused on what I should be using as position A11 isn't available on those 8 position cams.

Thanks
Dave
8 position cams are old. The new ones have 16. We used to dremel extra notches in the old cams to get more adjustment. The designation is not FT or R or F, they just made a running change.
__________________
A mutually re-enforcing cascade of failure

"Failior [sic] crowns enterprise." Robert Goddard

I-Lap Scoring Systems http://www.rclapcounter.com/
robk is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 03:38 PM   #11631
Tech Elite
 
Boomer's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Southern Cal - Claremont
Posts: 3,346
Send a message via ICQ to Boomer Send a message via AIM to Boomer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_Vert View Post
Can you explain if each adds or reduces understeer, oversteer, etc. on or off power, etc?

Thanks
Dave
Typically, it works like this:

Diff - mostly balanced throughout the turn.
Spool - understeer off power (entering the turn) but better grip coming out (pulls like a mutha)
One-way - oversteer off power (bad - entering the turn) but locks up coming out (basically becomes (mostly) a spool on power)

Spool is more controllable, but be ready for your adjustments to be almost backwards to what you're expecting. Take a look at John Stranahan's discussion of the TC4 with a spool on it - he goes into the physics of the whole deal. It's quite interesting.
__________________
-
RC10L2.5W - RC12.4 - RCNTC3(bmi) - TC4 (modded) - B44.2 - plus rent-a-rides! :D
Boomer is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 04:34 PM   #11632
Tech Champion
 
DARKSIDE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nashville-Memphis
Posts: 8,573
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

i run the rubber tire setup..and its good starting point
__________________
Myron "BATTMAN" Kinnard
Team Associated/Reedy Powered/PROTOform/OTT/1UP
Apex Raceway and Hobbies
1172 Park Ave, Murfreesboro, TN 37129
DARKSIDE is offline  
Old 05-25-2011, 08:11 PM   #11633
Tech Elite
 
TT_Vert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Streamwood, IL.
Posts: 3,992
Trader Rating: 70 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
Typically, it works like this:

Diff - mostly balanced throughout the turn.
Spool - understeer off power (entering the turn) but better grip coming out (pulls like a mutha)
One-way - oversteer off power (bad - entering the turn) but locks up coming out (basically becomes (mostly) a spool on power)

Spool is more controllable, but be ready for your adjustments to be almost backwards to what you're expecting. Take a look at John Stranahan's discussion of the TC4 with a spool on it - he goes into the physics of the whole deal. It's quite interesting.
Where do you think a slipper spool fits in there? I've got that up front now and my rear diff is backed off about 1/2 turn. I've got a slight oversteer while just getting on power while turning right. Doesn't seem to do it going left which is odd. Nothing appears tweaked either..

Dave
TT_Vert is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 08:35 AM   #11634
Tech Champion
 
DARKSIDE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nashville-Memphis
Posts: 8,573
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default 2011 USVAT SOUTHERN NATIONALS IN MUSIC CITY,USA

http://www.rctech.net/forum/racing-f...-city-usa.html


THUNDER RC Presents
2011 USVTA Southern Nationals in
Music City USA

DATE:
Sept 23-25th, 2011

PLACE:
Thunder RC Raceway 810 Cherokee Ave Nashville, TN 37207

TROPHY: 1ST-5TH Amain 1st in lower mains and TQ

RULES:
FULL USVTA AND USGT
http://www.usvintagetransam.com/rules/index.html

ENTRY: $30 first class, $15 second class
CLASSES:
____VTA
____USGT
____BONUS CLASS: 17.5 ROAR STOCK SPEC TC on JACO BLUES, 1ST-3RD TROPHY ,$25 ENTRY

Web info:
http://www.thunderrcraceway.com/

Prizes:
concourse & random door drawing

Sponsors:
KRC,HPI,NOVAK,NASHRCREACER.COM,RISK SCIENCES

pre-register by August 28 and receive a FREE gift

Name_______________________________Nickname_______ ______________________

Address________________________________ City, State,

Zip_______________________

Phone________________________Email________________ _______________________

Transponder#1_____________________#2______________ ______#3_______________

Total Classes and amount: #________________________$________________________ _

SEND ENTRY TO: KRC, PO BOX 70779 NASHVILLE, TN 37207

MORE INFO CALL 615-851-1876 ASK FOR MYRON
__________________
Myron "BATTMAN" Kinnard
Team Associated/Reedy Powered/PROTOform/OTT/1UP
Apex Raceway and Hobbies
1172 Park Ave, Murfreesboro, TN 37129
DARKSIDE is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 09:38 AM   #11635
Tech Master
 
Chaz955i's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 1,022
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TT_Vert View Post
Where do you think a slipper spool fits in there? I've got that up front now and my rear diff is backed off about 1/2 turn. I've got a slight oversteer while just getting on power while turning right. Doesn't seem to do it going left which is odd. Nothing appears tweaked either..

Dave
Slipper spool if properly adjusted works just like a regular spool but is able to give a little in a hit to protect the drivetrain. Properly adjusted there is no diff action in the slipper.
__________________
At The Gate Bizzos
Chaz955i is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 09:51 AM   #11636
Tech Elite
 
Boomer's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Southern Cal - Claremont
Posts: 3,346
Send a message via ICQ to Boomer Send a message via AIM to Boomer
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaz955i View Post
Slipper spool if properly adjusted works just like a regular spool but is able to give a little in a hit to protect the drivetrain. Properly adjusted there is no diff action in the slipper.
This!

The only reason for a slipper as opposed to a fully locked diff (or spool) is that it gives a place to "give".

If you hit something or something happens that makes one wheel want to abruptly change speed (i.e. stop LOL), something needs to give. If everything is absolutely locked (i.e. solid or locked diff) then the weakest link is going to BREAK or BEND (i.e. bad) but if we give a place that can slip under much more extreme than normal circumstances, we get a good spool under normal circumstances, but it gives instead of breaking. . . which is good. It saves your axles - typically it's either the U-joints or the out-drives that break on an impact. . .

I know some guys who use sandpaper placed instead of balls in their diffs - this locks up nicely, but you can loosen it just a touch and it works just like a slipper.
__________________
-
RC10L2.5W - RC12.4 - RCNTC3(bmi) - TC4 (modded) - B44.2 - plus rent-a-rides! :D
Boomer is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 10:00 AM   #11637
Tech Champion
 
snoopyrc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tunnel Hill GA
Posts: 5,046
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Can the LHS order the program Novak VTA material or does that have to happen through the Novak online store?
__________________
www.battlefieldraceway.com Racing videos at http://www.youtube.com/snoopyrc
snoopyrc is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 10:04 AM   #11638
Company Representative
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,891
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snoopyrc View Post
Can the LHS order the program Novak VTA material or does that have to happen through the Novak online store?
We have a dealer direct program for the USVTA-specific items that we do not offer through distribution, Links to app here:

USVTA Dealer Application
NovakTwo is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 11:29 AM   #11639
Tech Champion
 
snoopyrc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tunnel Hill GA
Posts: 5,046
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Roger that. Thank you.
__________________
www.battlefieldraceway.com Racing videos at http://www.youtube.com/snoopyrc
snoopyrc is offline  
Old 05-26-2011, 03:09 PM   #11640
Tech Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Elyria, Oh
Posts: 914
Trader Rating: 4 (100%+)
Default

Darkside

Is that indoors or out. Was looking for an excuse to come to Nashville.

chuck
mackin is offline  
Closed Thread

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Georgia Vintage Trans Am Racing shadow102 Georgia Racing 725 02-24-2012 09:56 AM
Vintage Trans Am Scottrik Electric On-Road 47 02-24-2012 08:21 AM
Vintage Trans-Am TC hlpressley R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 5 10-23-2008 04:00 PM
Thursday Vintage Trans Am racing at Victory in Green Bay Brian F Wisconsin & Illinois Racing 13 05-10-2008 08:37 AM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 05:06 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net