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Old 05-09-2011, 03:51 PM   #11461
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Why don't you just post it here and i'll tell you what I think.
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ballistic timing at last TIMING line, not end of sticker


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"Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the timing range sticker."
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Timing line is the correct interpretation. It could be worded better since, I meant line on the sticker, not the edge of the sticker. This will be corrected.
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awesome, thank you sir!
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hummm.......hey buddy...

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to the VTA rules makers:

If you guys get Pm's etc asking for rules clarification can you post up what you said and on the website rules section?

I have a guy who constantly says you guys said stuff and I never see it on the USVTA website or here.
This question needs clarification. The rules are posted for everyone to see.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:32 AM   #11468
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There doesn't need to be full transparency in the USVTA. If you have a question that needs a public answer, ask it in a public forum.

The VTA class is not that complicated. Don't take second-hand "clarifications" as fact, and you won't have any issues.
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I guess now would be as good of a time as any to post on this topic.

Our track owner has asked me to run our VTA class. Further, I am the guy being referred to here:

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I have a guy who constantly says you guys said stuff and I never see it on the USVTA website or here.
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There doesn't need to be full transparency in the USVTA. If you have a question that needs a public answer, ask it in a public forum.

The VTA class is not that complicated. Don't take second-hand "clarifications" as fact, and you won't have any issues.
I have to share what we've done with our local VTA class.

* implemented a 3.7 FDR limit so that older cars can be competitive (we have a large 170ft x 70ft track).

And we've made three clarifications to the rules as well:

* graded rotors are not permitted (they are not on the rules by part number, but a couple of guys wanted to run them anyways, so we explicitly stated that they were not permitted)

* epoxy filled stators are not permitted (same situation as the rotors)

* timing limit - 45*. USVTA rules were unclear, guys wanted to run it at the edge of the label, but I did a few quick google searches and found several other posts where Rob was clear that he meant it to be 45* (the last line ON the label, not the edge) and also confirmed it with the idea that SS motors (when fully cranked) end up with about the same timing, so it makes sense that the timing limit would be 45* so that the SS motors are on par.

That's it, that's all we've done. We have put a lot of effort into sticking with both the letter AND spirit of the VTA rules, and we really have not deviated. I have been in contact with Rob more than once to make sure I'm interpreting things correctly and taking the class in the successful direction.

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as long as it is out, what do you guys think of the "graded rotor" rule?

I think it is dumb as I have tons of rotors and always choose the best one, which is usually higher rated than the "graded" ones, plus how can you tech? you can't disallow a rotor that read over 1300 as it MAY have come in the original motor
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I think it is dumb as I have tons of rotors and always choose the best one, which is usually higher rated than the "graded" ones, plus how can you tech?
"Tons" of rotors for a spec class sounds really dumb to me. This is why their rule is in place. Always a few in the group who spoil it for everyone...
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"Tons" of rotors for a spec class sounds really dumb to me. This is why their rule is in place. Always a few in the group who spoil it for everyone...
I have novak motors in 6 of my electric cars and mod doesn't need high # rotors, not like I bought a bunch to "make me fast" . I lapped the field my first race and I had NO motor timing and everyone else did.....

so, I'm supposed to run the one it came with till it is at 900 and I crawl around unable to change rotors?

I would be down for that if everyone had their rotors guassed(sp?) and we all ran the same numbers but that is silly waste of time
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Further, I am the guy being referred to here:
You know I owe you an apology since you are definitely not a yocal that is making up or halucinating about rules. It sounds more like you are using good judgement in your enforcement of the official rule set.
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