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Old 01-14-2011, 09:36 PM   #10096
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If you're saying my speed controller in spec mode is not actually spec then call Tekin out and prove it's not. They can either make it compatible or say they aren't able to comply with the requirements.
It's already been done and proven out. There is a reason why there is no legal Tekin in the USVTA rules. There are certain programs that were NOT zero timing in the spec setting. Do you want every track to have to hook up every VTA car with a Tekin to a laptop to prove that it's on the "legitimate" spec software? It's Tekin's choice to not support spec racing with a true zero-timing non programmable ESC. They did it to themselves with their own software that was not trustworthy.

It's not hard to decide what is in this class' best interest. I don't think the priority in the USVTA has ever been about making the rules you can use everything in other cars in other classes.

Technology changes and forces ALL rules packages to be ultimately malleable. They have to be flexible in order to keep the technology from destroying the classes. The racers have to understand that the changes in rules are for the betterment of the class—not to force you to buy new equipment all the time.

Compete under the rules package or don't. No one is forcing you to race VTA. NASCAR, F1, SCORE, SCCA, IMSA, ALMS, NHRA, World of Outlaws, IRL and every racing organization in the world changes the rules on a yearly basis to make the racing good and the competition as even as possible.

It is what it is. Complaining about it isn't going to change it back to the way it was.
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I love Tekin. I love the RS. I love the way its badged. I love the graphics on the web site and on the print ads. I love the line of 550 motors they have out so much that I am considering getting a 4x4 SCT just so I can have an excuse to run the Tekin powered monster. I LOVE TEKIN.... So whats my point? My point is that I am still quite capable of sucking it up and buying a compliant speed controller to run this class. Cmon guys its $60 bucks, barely more than a round of wheels and tires. If you cant afford that then I hate to tell you that you just cant afford to race.... Anything.... Period. You can even do like I did and buy a used Speed passion, which is the same thing as the new Citrix. Got mine for $30. Now we are talking the price of a shell and a hot dog at the race.

I hate to see Tekin taking such a beating on this issue, because we all know that they are a fine company with an excellent product. And I hate it that it seems they are being punished for doing an excellent job producing the RS and Pro, but there are real reasons the RS is not allowed and its not personal.

So much time and effort pleading a case that doesnt hold up. Now we are all tired. Again!
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Old 01-14-2011, 10:07 PM   #10098
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I love Tekin. I love the RS. I love the way its badged. I love the graphics on the web site and on the print ads. I love the line of 550 motors they have out so much that I am considering getting a 4x4 SCT just so I can have an excuse to run the Tekin powered monster. I LOVE TEKIN.... So whats my point? My point is that I am still quite capable of sucking it up and buying a compliant speed controller to run this class. Cmon guys its $60 bucks, barely more than a round of wheels and tires. If you cant afford that then I hate to tell you that you just cant afford to race.... Anything.... Period. You can even do like I did and buy a used Speed passion, which is the same thing as the new Citrix. Got mine for $30. Now we are talking the price of a shell and a hot dog at the race.

I hate to see Tekin taking such a beating on this issue, because we all know that they are a fine company with an excellent product. And I hate it that it seems they are being punished for doing an excellent job producing the RS and Pro, but there are real reasons the RS is not allowed and its not personal.

So much time and effort pleading a case that doesnt hold up. Now we are all tired. Again!
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I might add that ROAR is picking up this decision and adopting it for all stock and sportsman classes. I doubt they took the decision lightly and I doubt that they simply copied the USVTA. They may however have seen the benefits of this ruling within the ranks of VTA clubs and taken the opportunity to adopt the rule for more classes.
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It's already been done and proven out. There is a reason why there is no legal Tekin in the USVTA rules. There are certain programs that were NOT zero timing in the spec setting. Do want every track to have to hook up every VTA car with a Tekin to a laptop to prove that it's on the "legitimate" spec software? It's Tekin's choice to not support spec racing with a true zero-timing non programmable ESC. They did it to themselves with their own software that was not trustworthy.

It's not hard to decide what is in this class' best interest. I don't think the priority in the USVTA has ever been about making the rules you can use everything in other cars in other classes.

Technology changes and forces ALL rules packages to be ultimately malleable. They have to be flexible in order to keep the technology from destroying the classes. The racers have to understand that the changes in rules are for the betterment of the class—not to force you to buy new equipment all the time.

Compete under the rules package or don't. No one is forcing you to race VTA. NASCAR, F1, SCORE, SCCA, IMSA, ALMS, NHRA, World of Outlaws, IRL and every racing organization in the world changes the rules on a yearly basis to make the racing good and the competition as even as possible.

It is what it is. Complaining about it isn't going to change it back to the way it was.
since you seem so knowledgable about the Tekin goof with v208 - then you know it was already resolved with v212...and you'd also know the ROAR approved v208 for usage THEN found out about the error...so the error wasn't solely on tekin - both parties were at fault...

and talk about beating a dead horse....There was a mistake made, and it was rectified quickly (within a week I believe, as I was a team driver during all this), so no need to bad mouth them any more then the bashing they are taking in the ROAR threads...
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I love Tekin. I love the RS. I love the way its badged. I love the graphics on the web site and on the print ads. I love the line of 550 motors they have out so much that I am considering getting a 4x4 SCT just so I can have an excuse to run the Tekin powered monster. I LOVE TEKIN.... So whats my point? My point is that I am still quite capable of sucking it up and buying a compliant speed controller to run this class. Cmon guys its $60 bucks, barely more than a round of wheels and tires. If you cant afford that then I hate to tell you that you just cant afford to race.... Anything.... Period. You can even do like I did and buy a used Speed passion, which is the same thing as the new Citrix. Got mine for $30. Now we are talking the price of a shell and a hot dog at the race.

I hate to see Tekin taking such a beating on this issue, because we all know that they are a fine company with an excellent product. And I hate it that it seems they are being punished for doing an excellent job producing the RS and Pro, but there are real reasons the RS is not allowed and its not personal.

So much time and effort pleading a case that doesnt hold up. Now we are all tired. Again!
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The rules are the rules run the class or don't. BUT quite beating the damn dead horse there can't be much left to beat anymore.
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The rules are the rules run the class or don't. BUT quite beating the damn dead horse there can't be much left to beat anymore.

The dead horse is Tekins software V208 but now there's V212. Every time we talk about blinky mode Tekins software V208 is brought back up....

We no longer run brushed motors, we no longer run NI-MH batteries, and we don't need two speed controllers to run a spec class and a boosted class! They make one that will do it all.......
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It's done dude, but you don't know it yet
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Oh, I know it's done. At least for this year. Good thing is based off previous years we'll have a new set of rules next year. I'll hang out in TC till then.

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Sigh.


The purpose of a national set of rules, ( The USVTA) in this case is to preserve continuity from one club to the next. A guy from Kansas can race in Cali and not have any suprises, and that's how the National rule set serves it's purpose.
At a local club, all racers know each other and you can run a race on trust. If your local club allows the Tekin 212 then have at it. Heck some clubs are still running 21.5 rule set. But keep in mind that if you travel outside of your club, especially to national or big VTA races your gonna need a fully legal car.

Buy the legal ESC. Cmon, it's cheap and doesn't take up much room in your pit bag.

And Tekin- I know it's a PITA to develop another ESC that seems like you are going backwards in product development, but if you will, then you can go ahead and put my name on one. Maybe two. Just make it with all of the style you put into your other products and it will rock.
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An inexpensive, spec, non-timing ESC from Tekin would sell like hotcakes. They would be smart to get one out while this discussion is happening.
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