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Old 04-20-2010, 06:41 AM
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Anybody still have the result from the last VTA Nats? IIRC, i thought the top 10 was made up of several different chassis, old and new.

Anyone have some local results they can post? In Palm Bay we're running XXX-S, Pro4, TC3, TC4, Corraly Phi, Cyclone TC... Heck, i have a TT-01 i'm thinking of throwing down to see if it can hang.
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might be on the HPI site...

http://www.hpiracing.com/news/2009021102/
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Originally Posted by JCarr
Because, at the slower speeds VTA is intended to be at, all the high dollar technowizardry chassis have no advantage over the old stuff.(driver skill being equal)
JCarr has it right -- with the real reason being the power. The 21.5 doesn't overpower the chassis, and a chassis that isn't built to handle high power can run a little freer. Think of putting a 1600cc Formula Ford engine in a modern F1 car and running it against older FF chassis. On most tracks, the old chassis would clean up, all other things being equal. My TC3 is quicker off the corner and a little faster down the straight than my TC5. But the TC5 handles better, so I crash less. In the end they are pretty equal. Put a 10.5 and turbo esc in them and it's no contest -- the TC5 will come into its own.
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With the idea being a cheaper class to race, the rules only allow novak electronics, So why not put a limit on the chasis also? USVTA says that the chasis needs to be at least 1 generation old, so how are the tc5s legal? I say limit it to TC4 or older for those on the CBR racing team.
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Originally Posted by hotrodchevy14
... USVTA says that the chasis needs to be at least 1 generation old, so how are the tc5s legal? ....
Perhaps your intended meaning was lost on me, but the rules don't actually say that.
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Originally Posted by pejota
Anyone have some local results they can post? In Palm Bay we're running XXX-S, Pro4, TC3, TC4, Corraly Phi, Cyclone TC... Heck, i have a TT-01 i'm thinking of throwing down to see if it can hang.
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Last wednesday the order of finish was (chassis):

JRXS Type R
T1 FK04
TA05
T1 FK04
JRXS Type R
T1 FK04
TC5
TA05R
T2
XXX-S
T1 FK04
TA05R

There are a couple IFS-R cars that usually finish near the top. And a TC3 that shows up and usually does pretty well.
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Originally Posted by hotrodchevy14
With the idea being a cheaper class to race, the rules only allow novak electronics, So why not put a limit on the chasis also? USVTA says that the chasis needs to be at least 1 generation old, so how are the tc5s legal? I say limit it to TC4 or older for those on the CBR racing team.
Really no need to and probably not a good idea. Everyone should have the opportunity to buy the chassis they like and can afford.
The moral of the story is that the chassis doesn't make you faster....the driving does. Until someone can DEFINITELY say that a TC5 has an advantage over a XXXS in the hands of equal drivers then we should leave chassis choice alone. As a xxxs driver I surely don't feel at a disadvantage. That might be a similar sentiment for many who are driving older cars.The motor/esc and tires play a much bigger part in that equation and VTA has that covered.
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Originally Posted by hotrodchevy14
With the idea being a cheaper class to race, the rules only allow novak electronics, So why not put a limit on the chasis also? USVTA says that the chasis needs to be at least 1 generation old, so how are the tc5s legal? I say limit it to TC4 or older for those on the CBR racing team.
The spirit of the USVTA rules is close competition at a low cost with minimum complexity. It's not a one-make class like TCS, but does have an official "engine supplier." To their credit, Novak has made a commitment to the series and offers and powertrain at a very reasonable price. If everyone runs a Novak, then no one has a power advantage.

A chassis is not so cut and dried. I think everyone will agree that a well-setup older chassis will be quicker around the track than a poorly-setup brand new chassis. And with VTA power, there's not a huge difference between them even if both are setup well. There are a lot of older chassis out there that have been given new racing life because of the VTA rules.

That's a good thing.
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I honestly think the speeds of the cars and the tire rules keep things slow enough that it's not a huge deal what car you have. I know one of the fastest guys locally runs a TA05 with a GTB against everybody and is always top 5 material, against any other car. When you are on the ragged edge, in other regular sedan classes, the tuneability makes a difference in getting your car driveable. In fact I remember talking to my buddy Seaball, who has made plenty of A mains at national level event, and he told me that his old TC3 would do the same hot laps as his newer car. It was just harder to drive and would do less of the fast laps. New cars aren't necessarily faster, they're just easier to go faster with.
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With all the influence of the TransAm leadership and membership, it's too bad that Associated doesn't re-issue the TC3.
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I think I would buy one When I was younger and could drive better I did pretty good with that tub chassis. That's one of the reasons I bought my new car, a TA05 ver.2. The other reason is I 'll finally have something to run at a tcs race.


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With all the influence of the TransAm leadership and membership, it's too bad that Associated doesn't re-issue the TC3.

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are there any esc rules for vta ? went on the vta web but nothing there in the rules for esc.
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Originally Posted by rcfunnn
are there any esc rules for vta ? went on the vta web but nothing there in the rules for esc.
Coming soon

http://www.usvintagetransam.com/rules/2010rules.pdf
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Originally Posted by outlandr91
I think I would buy one When I was younger and could drive better I did pretty good with that tub chassis. That's one of the reasons I bought my new car, a TA05 ver.2. The other reason is I 'll fially have something to run at a tcs race.
This car is the sickness. Mine has been getting good
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Originally Posted by rcfunnn
are there any esc rules for vta ? went on the vta web but nothing there in the rules for esc.
or check with your local club to see what they allow...most tracks have started using the current rules with restrictions on the esc's with advance timming, until Sept 2010
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