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Old 02-18-2010, 07:27 PM   #8266
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A lot of people in Florida prefer the Pro Compound to the Pro Belted. But that's outside on blazing hot asphalt/concrete.

Any experiences on carpet?
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Pro belts are pretty popular for carpet here.
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I did not do the flyer. Sorry about the fonts- I will get things corrected so everybody can read them.

Anyway, here is the rundown:

USVTA SCALE CHAMPIONSHIPS
May 1 & 2 2010 Sat-Trans Am & RCGT, Sun- Mini and F1
Doors open 7am, Race 10am each day
The Track @ Harbor Hobby, Winthrop Harbor, IL
(Indoor Carpet track-Hobby shop on site)

$35 1st class, $10 each additional class
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1225 Sheridan Rd.
Suite H
Winthrop Harbor, IL
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(847) 246-1762
http://www.harbor-hobby.net/



USVTA will be the CURRENT rules on the website with the following
Tekin max Vegas 200 NO TURBO
Mamba pro NO CHEAT MODE
LRP SPX profile 4
LRP TC Spec profile 6
LRP SPHERE Comp profile 6
KO BMC TBD
SpeedPassion TBD
No Black diamonds whatsoever
Final ESC rules will be announced before the race...will be very similar to Novak race, timing may be restricted as well

RCGT
17.5 motor / ESC as above
Only HPI part #4495 26mm Pro-compound Belted tires with Stock inserts allowed
Only 26mm rims that are Non-Dish rims
Any 190mm or 200mm GT or non ROAR body is allowed so no “Race” body…i.e. Stratus, Mazda 6, Alfa etc.
Only the wings that come with the body or after market molded plastic TC wings from HPI can be used….no Mazda or race body wings can be fitted.
1450g

F1
Any RWD 2wd F1 car
foam or rubber tires
Silver can motors >>13,500 rpm limit

Mini
Any 2wd mini car
rubber tires
Silver can motors >>13,500 rpm limit
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Hope I don't open a can of worms and I'm definitely not complaining but has there been any talk of allowing the #102994/102993 series tires for VTA?? Am I correct that these are the "pro" compound version of the vintage tires??
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Hope I don't open a can of worms and I'm definitely not complaining but has there been any talk of allowing the #102994/102993 series tires for VTA?? Am I correct that these are the "pro" compound version of the vintage tires??
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Hope I don't open a can of worms and I'm definitely not complaining but has there been any talk of allowing the #102994/102993 series tires for VTA?? Am I correct that these are the "pro" compound version of the vintage tires??

we're just gonna stick with the regular tire as written in the rules
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Heh, heh, no problem. Actually did some searching and found an answer from previous. That'll work for me !! No further comment needed.
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A+++++ Rob on the esc rules in RCGT as well as VTA....ready to race
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HPI X pattern radials come in 3 different types and all are legal

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXBSZ2&P=ML

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXM979&P=ML

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXM978&P=7

-Any 1/10th scale 4WD Touring Car chassis.
-Any "realistic/scale" Touring Car/GT body (No "Race" bodies, Stratus, Mazda 6 etc.)
-Bodies should represent models that are running or had been run in the Touring Car, GT2, GT1 classes in ALMS, LeMans, Speed Challenge etc.
-Any 26mm spoked wheels (no dish wheels)
Allowable X-Pattern tire choices are up to the race organizer, with competitiveness and cost in mind:
-HPI #4790 X-Pattern Radial Tire 26mm D-Compound (base spec tire)
-HPI #4490 X-Pattern Radial Tire Pro Compound 26mm (stickier compound for improved traction)
-HPI #4495 X-Pattern Radial Belted Tire Pro Compound 26mm (sticky and belted tire, allows for more speed)
-Kit Lexan wing (flat realistic wing if included) or Plastic realistic wing set(s) only (keeping in mind the spirit of realism of the class)
-27T/17.5 Motor Limit.
-6 cell NiMH or 2 cell LiPo 7.2/7.4v battery limit.
-Suggested minimum weight limit: 1400 grams
just what we needed thanx for posting
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Robk, from reading your post on the rules is Harbour Hobbies allowing oneways for the USVTA SCALE CHAMPIONSHIPS?
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I have seen where some tracks have banned one-way diffs but that is not a USVTA rule. Where I've seen it banned it seems to be because "drivers" pile into the back of a car that is slowing for a turn and the "driver's" excuse is "I've got a one-way...can't brake". Banning the one-way seems like a short-sighted means, what SHOULD be enforced is penalties for drivers taking out the car ahead of them. At the VERY least they should be held until they can follow the car that they hit back out of the corner.

Several folks have posted videos (thanks! always fun to see what others are doing) where I've seen quite a few "drivers" absolutely piling into the car(s) ahead of them. Seems the excuse for this is that "rubbin' is racin'", but THAT'S not rubbing--that's drilling someone and taking advantage. Intentionally or not. To my view "rubbing" is if cars are touching side-to-side. If the front of a car contacts another car that's a take-out and the offending driver SHOULD pull to the side until the driver he's drilled can be returned to the track and follow in behind that car. If he doesn't do so voluntarily he should be "black flagged" (informed by the race director that he has to pull over until the other car catches and passes him. I've seen race programs that were pretty wild-n-woolly until a few penalties were handed out (the ol' "penalty circle" at Seattle Indoor Raceway comes to mind) at which point folks figure out that rough driving (deliberate or otherwise) ain't the hot ticket.

Yeah I know it's VTA and all in fun, etc, but it AIN'T no fun getting drilled from behind by someone who should know better. What's fun is the give-and-take of real racing where you keep harassing the car in front of you until you find an opportunity to get by cleanly...maybe a little "rub" on the way out if need be, but not smacking them and spinning them out.
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I have seen where some tracks have banned one-way diffs but that is not a USVTA rule. Where I've seen it banned it seems to be because "drivers" pile into the back of a car that is slowing for a turn and the "driver's" excuse is "I've got a one-way...can't brake". Banning the one-way seems like a short-sighted means, what SHOULD be enforced is penalties for drivers taking out the car ahead of them. At the VERY least they should be held until they can follow the car that they hit back out of the corner.

Several folks have posted videos (thanks! always fun to see what others are doing) where I've seen quite a few "drivers" absolutely piling into the car(s) ahead of them. Seems the excuse for this is that "rubbin' is racin'", but THAT'S not rubbing--that's drilling someone and taking advantage. Intentionally or not. To my view "rubbing" is if cars are touching side-to-side. If the front of a car contacts another car that's a take-out and the offending driver SHOULD pull to the side until the driver he's drilled can be returned to the track and follow in behind that car. If he doesn't do so voluntarily he should be "black flagged" (informed by the race director that he has to pull over until the other car catches and passes him. I've seen race programs that were pretty wild-n-woolly until a few penalties were handed out (the ol' "penalty circle" at Seattle Indoor Raceway comes to mind) at which point folks figure out that rough driving (deliberate or otherwise) ain't the hot ticket.

Yeah I know it's VTA and all in fun, etc, but it AIN'T no fun getting drilled from behind by someone who should know better. What's fun is the give-and-take of real racing where you keep harassing the car in front of you until you find an opportunity to get by cleanly...maybe a little "rub" on the way out if need be, but not smacking them and spinning them out.
I agree to an extent...Intentional slamming is one thing, but you gotta remember, this is the slowest class in on-road racing. Therfore, you attract alot of novice and first time racers who are struggling to keep their cars between the boards and learning for the first time how to tune a suspension. A bit of rough play is to be expected. The problem I have are with the higher caliber drivers who enter VTA just to add another trophy to their collection, then get pissed when a noob doesnt follow the so called driving etiquete. I for one started out in 1/12th scale and simply couldnt keep up. If you accidentally took someone out, all you'd hear is the behind your back whining and crying about a set-up that is now lost. VTA has given racers like me a spot to race week after week where the only tears you see are from laughter!
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I agree to an extent...Intentional slamming is one thing, but you gotta remember, this is the slowest class in on-road racing. Therfore, you attract alot of novice and first time racers who are struggling to keep their cars between the boards and learning for the first time how to tune a suspension. A bit of rough play is to be expected. The problem I have are with the higher caliber drivers who enter VTA just to add another trophy to their collection, then get pissed when a noob doesnt follow the so called driving etiquete. I for one started out in 1/12th scale and simply couldnt keep up. If you accidentally took someone out, all you'd hear is the behind your back whining and crying about a set-up that is now lost. VTA has given racers like me a spot to race week after week where the only tears you see are from laughter!
I'm with Joe. There's a lot of contact in VTA and it's almost entirely of the unintentional kind -- especially at the club level. It's a great entry point for noobs and a laid-back class for more experienced racers. Some of the experienced guys are very generous with their help and encouragement (TigerRyan, Sharpie, Kaybo) and some, not so much. Point is, it's a great place to learn on-road. Since the spec is strictly controlled, participants are forced to work on setup and driving and not just the latest hi-zoot motor or speedo. I'm diggin' it.

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I hear both of you and don't entirely disagree at all. Mistakes will happen, but mistakes of that nature SHOULD be followed by the offending driver pulling over and waiting until the driver they punted gets back by them. What I'm seeing on the vids is folks just whacking another driver out of the way and continuing on. You talk about "working on set-up and driving", THAT'S not "working on driving" when there's no penalty for jamming somebody. What you WOULD be surprised by is how much cleaner driving gets when there's a clearly stated (and enforced) penalty for "rough driving", intentional or not.

We had a REALLY light turnout today for club racing, not sure why other than this week and next week is our only "back-to-back" this season and next week we're offering two days of racing. Shawn and I continued our season long VTA battle which saw him pulling into the points lead (by two points) at our last race. This race in the main our top twenty average lap time was within .025 seconds. That's a half second difference between us over a 20 lap span. Unfortunately there were 45-ish laps and I made more mistakes than Shawn did on the other "invisible" laps.

I'm thinking we've got our cars dialed to pretty much the gnat's eyelash at this point. Neither of us are making many changes...I laid my shocks back down one notch to settle the rear after I'd stood them up at the Casino race (Paragon at that race...back was hooked better than our usual compounds and carpet) and that was really it.
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Scottrik, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I think penalties such as "black flagging" or "pulling off to the side till the other car is put back on the track" is silly. Knocking someone out for personal gain is usually obvious and never tolerated at any level. At our home track, VTA seems to be the most popular class...consistently having the largest number of entries. Not only that, it also seems to draw the largest crowd of spectators! And for good reason! The slowest class is action packed from start to finish!

Next fall, my 5yr old son will probably be slinging a used XXX-S around the track. Now, if the guy running an X-RAY T3 with tire warmers and a laptop wants to join in , god bless him. But, if you think for a minute im going to punish my kid and put his car in "time out" for causing a first turn debacle just so "THAT GUY" does'nt get his panties in a bunch, your crazy. Where else can a beginner learn to love and enjoy this hobby? Not on the sidelines! Mix it up and enjoy the action, its a toy car for cryin out loud.
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