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Old 01-07-2010, 09:11 AM   #7636
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Wow, makes me wish the timing label had the actual numbers instead of a letter and notches.

It just seems like an extra step of teaching by Novak and research by consumers to understand a basic part of their motors' operation.

Doesn't make me want one any less.
Unfortunately, if you're starting from a base point that is significantly removed from zero (in the case of the Ballistic, thirty) and you're dealing with the new reality of esc's that adjust timing it is HOPELESSLY misleading to just slap on a label that says " -15* -10* -5* 0* +5* +10* +15* " because that doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

For the Ballistic it couldn't be much easier to understand. You've got a "neutral" position (N) which I don't hope to understand (much less explain) how it is selected other than it's some high-tech engineering sh*t) and you advance or retard timing from that point. The motors/mfr's that need to do a better job of teaching are the ones that have labels like I've described...because I'm quite certain you'll find that their " 0* " is not zero degrees, that they are also operating from a base timing that is significantly removed from zero as well.
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Wow, makes me wish the timing label had the actual numbers instead of a letter and notches.

It just seems like an extra step of teaching by Novak and research by consumers to understand a basic part of their motors' operation.

Doesn't make me want one any less.
Good question, I'm not sure why we selected the "notches" rather than numbers.

Motor timing is generally the last step in motor assembly; if you replace your stator or rotor, the timing changes. Also, if your existing rotor weakens, the timing changes.
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it couldn't be much easier to understand. You've got a "neutral" position (N) which I don't hope to understand
That's got to be some kind of record for self-contradiction! JK

I was hoping more for something like 5,10,15...45 degree numbered marks. I personally don't like the N reference point and +/- marks.

Too many people think N = 0.

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Please tell us more about rotor changes (new vs tuning) and weakening and how that affects timing. We're listening.
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That's got to be some kind of record for self-contradiction! JK
I guess I gotta give you that one But you know what I mean.
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That's got to be some kind of record for self-contradiction! JK

I was hoping more for something like 5,10,15...45 degree numbered marks. I personally don't like the N reference point and +/- marks.

Too many people think N = 0.

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Please tell us more about rotor changes (new vs tuning) and weakening and how that affects timing. We're listening.
I will check and get back to you. Motor timing, and what can affect it, are complex issues; we will be adding info to our Ballistic Motor Technical Update to address some of these questions.
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thanks novak!
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As for the current non-approval status, I don't believe its a manufacturer submittal issue, as from what I understand from what I have been reading, there are no rules currently at ROAR to submit the packs for, and some manufacturers are probably waiting to submit the stuff once there are ROAR rules.
Scott covered the Nicd/Nimh thing.

ROAR has clear rules about battery approval. Samples must be submitted to ROAR for approval. Right now there are no rules specific to Life, so it would be up to the manufacturers to work with ROAR on what the specs should be, and how to enforce them. I think it took 2 years of research and working with manufacturers to get the LiPo rules worked out.
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and from what I have heard, they are.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the timeline could be shorter than what it took for lipos.


Anyway, For those who currently run Novak havoc systems in your vehicles, any tips?
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and from what I have heard, they are.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the timeline could be shorter than what it took for lipos.


Anyway, For those who currently run Novak havoc systems in your vehicles, any tips?
The Havoc is pretty much set it and forget it.
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darn it, now I want some rotisserie chicken!!
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Anyway, For those who currently run Novak havoc systems in your vehicles, any tips?
trerc pretty much called it...install in car, drive like hell, laugh at your buddies.
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The Havoc is pretty much set it and forget it.
You won't need to slog through 10,000 thread comments to learn how to program it....
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You won't need to slog through 10,000 thread comments to learn how to program it....
I'm running 5.5 with foam tires, max boost...what size pinion should I buy for it??
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You won't need to slog through 10,000 thread comments to learn how to program it....
Nope, Their stuff is innovative, upgradable and capable of running up front in serious competition and your stuff is more for pissin around. Not much to talk about when it comes to the Havoc.

And thats's no disrespect to Novak you guys have great service and do pissin around very well.
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You won't need to slog through 10,000 thread comments to learn how to program it....
now we know which ESC is the most popular...thanks for assisting the VTA guys with this info.
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