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Old 10-01-2009, 03:22 PM   #6406
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Thats what I expect now that I understand the vision for this class. I bet if HPI came out with a Javelin or a 70 Mustang, or a Notchback 66 it would be legal immediately. As long as it fits the spirit of the current rules.

The Vette isn't legal because it never could be.
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I am using a tamiya tao5 ifs.I found that the front wheels would rub really bad on the tierod ends.So I used tamiya parts 54139-the rotors that come with it,and the wheels now fit fine and the car looks more realistic with rotors behind the wheels instead of empty space.
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Rob and USVTA...have you seen these...and are they an option to the regular VTA tires?....Ive got a set coming to test out to see if any difference in them....

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They would probably be legal for VTA at the Indoor Champs. I think the rule book only states that they have to be treaded vintage style tires. Actually, it doesn't specify HPI tires only, or min/max tire widths allowed. They dont list the legal bodies either, just 'trans am era replica type bodies' Hmm, Ford GT-40 body, anyone? Kinda sucks, they have a page and a half of rules for Concourse judging, but the bare minimum for actual class racing rules.
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They would probably be legal for VTA at the Indoor Champs. I think the rule book only states that they have to be treaded vintage style tires. Actually, it doesn't specify HPI tires only, or min/max tire widths allowed. They dont list the legal bodies either, just 'trans am era replica type bodies' Hmm, Ford GT-40 body, anyone? Kinda sucks, they have a page and a half of rules for Concourse judging, but the bare minimum for actual class racing rules.
you are referring to ROAR's take on USVTA rules - which is a discussion for another time and another thread

ROAR cannot name specific manufacturers parts in their descriptions, so that is why its written that way..

Don't read into any more then whatever ROAR did to the class
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you are referring to ROAR's take on USVTA rules - which is a discussion for another time and another thread

ROAR cannot name specific manufacturers parts in their descriptions, so that is why its written that way..

Don't read into any more then whatever ROAR did to the class
Actually he's referring to the rules for this year's Indoor Championships (Cleveland, Thanksgiving week) that just arrived from Mr. Bill a week or two ago. Yes, he pretty much condensed the USVTA rules as-diluted by ROAR. The way he's got 'em written it will be pretty much wide open...who knows what the hell they're getting themself into for the $65 entry fee.
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Actually he's referring to the rules for this year's Indoor Championships (Cleveland, Thanksgiving week) that just arrived from Mr. Bill a week or two ago. Yes, he pretty much condensed the USVTA rules as-diluted by ROAR. The way he's got 'em written it will be pretty much wide open...who knows what the hell they're getting themself into for the $65 entry fee.
Are you expecting a lot of VTA slicks and open 21.5 motors to show up? Are you expecting a free for all or will it really be that much differrent?
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Exactly. It would have been so easy for the Indoor Champs to just say 'USVTA Rules' and there would have been no questions. No idea why they didn't. Be interesting to see the field for that class. The true-to-the-spirit-of-USVTA crowd will be a minority, I think. I expect more than a few pro/heavily sponsored drivers to enter, for more rubber tire track time. And a few that will exploit the vague rules to see how far they can push the tires and body limits. Hmm, with the tire rules so vague, there's nothing to stop ppl from running firmer inserts in the tires now, and no rules against larger wings/spoilers being added. Doah!

Bet the only thing that will stop VTA class from running the same lap times as 17.5 Rubber TC will be the 21.5 motors they have to run.
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Hmmmm. Im a bit torn here. Im just not sure what to think. You could be totally right. It might be that bad. Then again, it might not be.

I think we are just going to have to wait and see. That is unless they firm up the rules before the race.
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i think Rob or Dirla needs to call the ppl running the race and fix it before it gets totally out of hand...,,,the last thing we need is misunderstanding about the class on a national level...
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i think Rob or Dirla needs to call the ppl running the race and fix it before it gets totally out of hand...,,,the last thing we need is misunderstanding about the class on a national level...
Not that I dont recognize the concerns here, but for the sake of argument;

Isnt it Mr Bills race to run as he chooses?
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Isnt it Mr Bills race to run as he chooses?
100% so.

That said, $65 is a STEEP price to step into a class that will really be a complete unknown. If you think about it, "Trans Am era" runs clear up to about 2005 or 2006...what body CAN'T you run? Probably not a '57 Chevy, but iir the Protoform G6 and the Parma Mohawk would meet that requirement. The rule gives time frame for the body, it doesn't give any other requirement(s). GTP bodies of cars ostensibly from that era would be legal under the rules given. And that's just the bodies. The "rules" as set forth are one enormous loophole.

And on. And on.
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100% so.

That said, $65 is a STEEP price to step into a class that will really be a complete unknown. If you think about it, "Trans Am era" runs clear up to about 2005 or 2006...what body CAN'T you run? Probably not a '57 Chevy, but iir the Protoform G6 and the Parma Mohawk would meet that requirement. The rule gives time frame for the body, it doesn't give any other requirement(s). GTP bodies of cars ostensibly from that era would be legal under the rules given. And that's just the bodies. The "rules" as set forth are one enormous loophole.

And on. And on.
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Once upon a time I had an argument in here that seemed silly to everyone but me. I couldnt see why my side of things was not understood. Anyway it came up in argument that you should do it by the official rules or you should not call it VTA. Or at least not Official USVTA.

Well it seems like now is one of those times. Maybe what this race really needs is a name change.
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Actually he's referring to the rules for this year's Indoor Championships (Cleveland, Thanksgiving week) that just arrived from Mr. Bill a week or two ago. Yes, he pretty much condensed the USVTA rules as-diluted by ROAR. The way he's got 'em written it will be pretty much wide open...who knows what the hell they're getting themself into for the $65 entry fee.
That's what I meant, the diluted ROAR-version of the rules..Didn't mean he was quoting ROAR verbatium

kinda sucks, guess that's another reason NOT to go to Cleveland this year

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here is the race report for the MCC 09'..more pics to come

Sunday September 27,2009...The Music City Championship

Well here we are a year later....for the MCC 09'...last year was as great of racing anywhere you could find...this year was even better.

After having mother nature soak and flood our area and beyond for 2 weeks...the idea of having a huge outdoor race seemed a little bleek at times. Alot of guys that were coming from out of town as well as locals didnt feel like it was going to happen. Most of the races in the region got cancelled. So why would we be any different?....thats easy to answer, Tim Moore is spot on when it comes to the weather. He hasnt been wrong all summer, if he says its not going to rain...we are racing!...mid 70's and not a cloud in the sky.....you the man Tim

Before we get into the racing, I would like to thanks some people that made this possible....
Tim Moore/Risk Sciences
Collin C./HPI
Bobby Mills/Hobby Lobby
Robert Dirla/Thunder RC
Doug & Rob/USVTA
Tommy/Slot Spot
Byran & Brain/White House Hobbies
Eric Whiteside/The Track at Harbor Hobbies
Chris Cooper/Cooper Motorsports
Jim and Nicks BBQ
Kent Ball/SNOOPY

and most important the 40+ racers and their families for coming out and making this an extra special event!!!!!! also for donating the $500+ to help local racer Tim Buchannon re-build his business..AWESOME JOB!!!!

We did some awards at the beginning of the day.

Bobby Mills-adult concourse
Ebonique"Baby"-jr concourse and fastest female
Robert Dirla-driver of the year

LETS DO SOME RACING!!!!

The layout was very different than anything we had all summer, with alot of flow and technical sections. No complaints from any drivers. With the sun warming the track nicely, the traction was beginning to come up really fast. The open practice gave everyone a chance to get setup for what was coming.

Round 1
This was the 1st year we allowed TC to run at the MCC. But we had some good rules to help keep the racing fairly close. We ran a spec tire(Jaco Blues) and 17.5 motors. We had a couple of national level racers on hand to support this race. Eric Anderson(EA), Jason Lutz, and Robert Dirla. We also had our local fast guy as well in Donald"TQ"Martin. Being on the track with such a awesome group of racers was worth the price of entry anyday.

Eric Anderson #6 25 6:00.723 13.620
Donald Martin #4 25 6:19.390 13.803 18.667
Myron Kinnard #1 24 6:01.571 14.038

Next up was the very stacked Sportsman Class in Trans-am. These guys are the ones pushing into Expert/Pro class every race. They improve at every turn and even when they havent raced in awhile, they seem to get right back on the "horse" and on pace. We ran two heats of Sportsman

Eddie Leonard #4 22 6:00.049 15.437
Cornbread #3 22 6:11.347 15.659 11.298
Alex Barrett #1 20 6:14.291 16.389

Bobby Mills #5 21 6:01.142 15.817
Tommy Ussery #2 21 6:03.475 16.159 2.333
W.W. #3 21 6:14.262 16.318 13.120

Up next was a very important class of Adult Rookies(A/B), this class had alot of 1st timers to rc racing. It also had the returning MCC 08' JR TA champ in Hayden. He stepped up to the rookie class after winning the Jr division last year.

Ken Illig #2 19 6:13.874 17.818
TJ Hardison #4 17 6:29.155 18.571
Jake Illig #1 13 6:04.334 19.165

Jason Burks #2 21 6:01.649 16.519
Raheen Demarest #3 18 6:14.046 17.645
Timothy Buchanan #4 16 5:53.071 19.511

We decided to have an official USVTA class that allowed anyone from across the country to race with the fastest guys in the region. We decided since some of the guys that ran in this class DID NOT have adv.timing esc's to have a "gentlemen" rule to not run the adv. setting on the esc's. You wasnt pentalized if you didnt run them. Returning TA champ "BATTMAN" set TQ, with Darryl and Donald only a lap down

Myron Kinnard #1 24 6:14.622 14.827
Darryl Binger #5 23 6:03.866 15.328
Donald Martin #3 23 6:04.064 15.143 0.198

The all important Jr TA Championship that has had the best battle out of any racing this year. Rather it was for the "Belt", or points..Daniel and Yung aka Spidey, was set to do battle one more time for all the marbles.

Daniel #4 16 5:19.945 18.020
Yung-Spidey #3 13 5:03.107 19.258
Tomlin #6 13 5:18.483 22.774 15.376

Round 2
For TCR we saw a change in the leader board, with EA out and Dirla taking it home. This setup some very tight positions to get into. Making a mistake with this bunch of racers sent you to the back of the line. And unless someone else made a mistake you pretty much stayed in the back.

Robert Dirla #4 25 6:04.735 13.994
Donald Martin #2 25 6:14.555 13.986 9.820
Myron Kinnard #3 24 6:03.615 14.220

For rd2 we decided to combine the A/B of Sportsman to save a little time. This was a good thing giving the fact that it made everyone very catious of each other on the track. No run away victor here. If you wanted this championship you had to earn it.

Eddie Leonard #1 23 6:08.253 15.083
Cornbread #2 23 6:11.493 15.255 3.240
Tim Moore #9 21 6:05.998 15.934

We did the same for the A/B rookie class. These guys are very hungry to get that "W" and was willing to fight tooth and nail to get it. Rookies or not the racing was close and anybodies race to win.

Jason Burks #1 21 6:06.252 16.200
Hayden Pirrera #6 21 6:15.693 16.650 9.441
Raheen Demarest #3 19 6:07.976 17.006

For the Expert class,USVTA, it seems that the 2008 Champion had things going his way with another win and re-setting TQ again. Only this time Jason stepped up to put a little pressure on the Battman to challenge him for the crown.

Myron Kinnard #1 24 6:07.534 14.922
Jason Graham #5 24 6:11.443 14.976 3.909
Donald Martin #3 23 6:00.329 14.872

JR TA showed why they are the future of Trans-am...Daniel and Spidey danced back and forward for 5 mins. Swapping the lead several times to finish on the same lap..

Daniel #1 16 5:03.469 18.073
Yung-Spidey #2 16 5:07.124 17.997 3.655
Tomlin #3 13 5:08.045 21.785

Round 3
This is where the we all put it all in the same bucket. No time to pull punches. Its now or never to get that all important starting position. After sitting in 3rd all day I thought that my spot was pretty sucure. But after EA layed down a 26 lapper and showed why he is one of the best RC racers in the country. It was written in stone at that point.

1. Eric Anderson 26 6:02.680 3 1
2. Robert Dirla 25 6:04.735 2 1
3. Jason Lutz 25 6:07.692 3 2 2.957

Here is where the racing the 2.4 race really showed in some of the top guys. Brandon Black of Team Ambush made an awesome run to the top 3 after starting 9th. A little extra track time goes a long way. We also got to see team mates Cornbread and Eddie get the top 2 spots with only .766 of seperation...now thats tight racing.

1. Cornbread 23 6:07.487 3 1
2. Eddie Leonard 23 6:08.253 2 1 0.766
3. Brandon Black 22 6:12.306 3 2

Rookie TA was set to see who would make the move to Sportsman. Jason Burks with his 1st time out with a TA car set the bar pretty high with a lap over past Jr TA champ Hayden. This made for our Sportsman class to be aware of some rookies taking aim at the sportsman title.

1. Jason Burks 22 6:07.964 3 1
2. Hayden Pirrera 21 6:15.693 2 2
3. Raheen Demarest 19 6:07.976 2 3

Expert didnt disappoint. Doanld Martin lived up to the nickname "TQ" by pulling a 24/6:02 to finally pull the top spot from the Battman. Rodney Barrett also pulled a very close 2nd position with a 24/6:07.2 to my 24/6:07.5...Time to see what you can do.

1. Donald Martin 24 6:02.671 3 1
2. Rodney Barrett 24 6:07.296 3 2 4.625
3. Myron Kinnard 24 6:07.534 2 1 4.863

Jr TA is still the race to watch. These kids try very hard to have fun and win. Every race is like the championship. None of them ever see defeat, its all victory in finishing what we start.

1. Daniel 16 5:01.238 3 1
2. Yung-Spidey 16 5:07.124 2 2 5.886
3. Tomlin 14 5:18.921 3 3

MAINS......

After setting the bar really high, EA took control over the fastest class of the day. He only gave up the lead a couple of times to Donald Martin. After some very impressive driving by the hungry field of drivers, the smoke had started to clear. At the 5:30 mark we saw a Robert Dirla provide why he is one of the top guys around on any given day or track. Diving around and under to challenge the Battman for the final top 3 spot. But the Battman wasnt giving in that easy and finished in a solid 3rd behind Jason Lutz and Champion Eric "EA" Anderson...

Eric Anderson #1 27 6:04.717 13.372
Jason Lutz #3 26 6:02.027 13.557
Myron Kinnard #5 26 6:06.509 13.869 4.482

Sportsman Trans-am is, and always will be the biggest class of racers with the same skill level. Anytime you have your top 3 on the same lap after a 8min battle, you know you have seen the best TA has to offer. Its what the class is about, close door-to-door racing. Jason Burks stepped up to sportsman, to race with the guys on his level. He finish on lap 29 with 3rd place qualifier Brandon Black. Cornbread(TQ) and team mate Eddie made Bread Crew a 1/2 finish with Bobby Mills pulling in 3rd

Cornbread #1 30 8:07.122 16.119
Eddie Leonard #2 30 8:11.470 15.621 4.348
Bobby Mills #4 30 8:14.428 15.929 7.306

Rookie TA was a great race as well, more of the position fighting to place in the middle of the pack. Hayden jumped up to TQ position after Jason Burks went to Sportsman. With another year of racing under his belt, Hayden repeated as Champion, only this time it was the Rookie division he conquered. New comer and 1st timmer Raheen pulled into 2nd over Jake whom raced another 1st timmer TJ to the line, turn for turn.

Hayden Pirrera #1 27 8:17.346 17.470
Raheen Demarest #2 25 8:13.077 18.009
Jake Illig #7 24 8:10.533 18.005

EXPERT/USVTA/VTA/PRO TRANS-AM was the class to show everyone the best racers of the day. With a grid of racers that wanted so bad that anything was possible. Returning Expert Champion, Battman was ready to defend his title against all comers. The Summer Series had alot of guys stepping up every race to get ready for this event. Donald "TQ" was ready for his 1st Trophy win in TA, as well as every other racer. With the Lemans start ready to go the horn sounded and on turn 1 lap 1, we had a pile up of cars. This allowed Jason to take the lead and he never looked back. He went from 4th to 1st and took the Championship home. It was an exciting race and a real test of skill to try and get back into position. But with the level of racers here and the hunger they had. Getting to the front of the line was almost impossible for any driver. The line of cars seemed like a train on a track at times. This is what we came for and it didnt disapoint ..

Jason Graham #4 31 8:00.614 15.197
Donald Martin #1 31 8:13.143 15.619 12.529
Rodney Barrett #2 30 8:04.757 15.846

JR TA is the cornerstone to all racing in this class. Daniel and Spidey put all the years worth of racing and battling on the line one more time. The end result was a very strong pull by Daniel to get out front without havent to get caught up in any wrecks. And thats what he did, which allowed him to get out to 1st and stay there for the entire race. Spidey sat in a solid 2nd and Baby and Tomlin went to war for that 3rd place with Baby knocking him down to 4th.

Daniel #1 20 6:09.761 17.607
Yung-Spidey #2 19 6:08.934 17.561
Baby #4 14 6:15.517 22.397

In closing, this has got to be the most exciting Trans-am racing Ive ever been to. Thats not taking away from the Nats,BTH,Top Gun, GA STATE, or any other TA race. This race shows that with Trans-am EVERYONE can have a chance to shine. It also shows that this area can have big name races and be supported locally. I really feel bad for the guys that missed this event. To the true TA lovers and racers, you missed out on a chance of a lifetime. For those that want to really test themselves against a true field of TA racers, you really missed out. To have 2 years in a row of 40+ racers and to have only 2 outta towners.(Brian Smith 08, Jason Lutz 09) is proof that we are ready for the National stage.

THE 2010 USVTA PAVEMENT NATIONALS/MUSIC CITY CHAMPIONSHIP #3

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