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Old 09-08-2009, 01:05 AM   #6121
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I was going to ask you about that, but I didnt want to be a nag. Sorry about the blurry ones. Next time I will weed them out before I send them to you.

I hope to make it up to the MCC race on the 27th. If I can shoot out in the daylight I should be able to shoot the cars without blurring.
trust me I was nagging myself. bring it I can hit the delete with the best of them...
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Old 09-08-2009, 11:13 AM   #6122
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For the final Ratio, what is the Official Rule - do you go to one decimel point - in other words 4.186 rounds off to 4.2. Or do you go to three decimel points???

Thanks for the information
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For the final Ratio, what is the Official Rule - do you go to one decimel point - in other words 4.186 rounds off to 4.2. Or do you go to three decimel points???

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Most would go down 1 tooth to be slightly above 4.20
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For the final Ratio, what is the Official Rule - do you go to one decimel point - in other words 4.186 rounds off to 4.2. Or do you go to three decimel points???

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Most would go down 1 tooth to be slightly above 4.20
Mike is correct. No rounding needed. Your FDR needs to be MORE than 4.2. If it is less, you need to go down tooth on your pinion.

4.186 is less than 4.2 and, thus, not legal. 4.199999999999999999999999... is less than 4.2 and, thus, not legal.
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Its worse when you are constantly following what new gear you think you need to be faster. At least you know if you are slow, it's you not your car.
Truer words have never been spoken - most everyone falls into the trap of buying the latest and greatest equipment, realizing that they haven't managed to get any faster, and has to come to terms with a fact no one's willing to admit - that the biggest obstacle to running up front is the person controlling the car... Once you've put in the practice time and learned a thing or two about car setup, you'll be surprised how much better you'll be, even with dated, "obsolete" equipment...
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+A million more

I have raced places with an open rule, and everyone seems to run the Novak's out of politeness anyway. But still, I hope the Novak only rule stays common.

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I think we need some kind of hold down on the class...and Novak only 21.5 is great to keep at least as much fair as possible...just as Dirla said..now he wants/needs a DUO cause its "FASTER"...this will only cause problems that this class doesnt need....

JUST RUN THE NOVAK 21.5 and lets do some racing..or is it some of you are afraid to run what everybody has to run.....that just makes up for driving skill or lack there of...
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i know with out a dought that eh duo 17.5 is alot faster than any other behind a spx but it might not be legal na d on a club level you just cant tech it thurro enought to tell. i think its BS but it mostly a ball buster i hate being pulled down the strait even a foot to someone that has the same or more corner speed. i know alot has to do with that but when a driver has a novak in one weekend (and many befoire that) and then the very next week has the duo in and pulls everyone down the strait by 10-15feet' in 90' that is cookin! and has the same corner speed . the funny part to this story is that his line is .4 slower than the fast guy with a slower car
thats funny.
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Definately keep in 21.5 Novak motors. I am still on the fence over the esc with adjustable timing and such but until I need to get one I still have my Havok and still win my fair share of races.
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I noticed something interesting at the track last weekend, and this should have been obvious before, but hey.....

My home track is a permanent track, but the layout can be run about 6 different ways. One of those layouts has a kink in the back straight which slows everyone down below the high-timing region of the SPX/RS/SP.

Well what do you know, we ran a slower layout through the kink and the racing was closer! For a fixed FDR class like VTA, you can't ask for an easier solution to a sticky problem.

Let's try making some layout changes at our local tracks and report back with the results. FYI, the back straight ended up being about 70 feet long from the kink to the next turn.
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i know with out a dought that eh duo 17.5 is alot faster than any other behind a spx but it might not be legal na d on a club level you just cant tech it thurro enought to tell. i think its BS but it mostly a ball buster i hate being pulled down the strait even a foot to someone that has the same or more corner speed. i know alot has to do with that but when a driver has a novak in one weekend (and many befoire that) and then the very next week has the duo in and pulls everyone down the strait by 10-15feet' in 90' that is cookin! and has the same corner speed . the funny part to this story is that his line is .4 slower than the fast guy with a slower car
thats funny.
Someone help me out...I cut and pasted this into Babelfish and STILL couldn't understand it. I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree.
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I noticed something interesting at the track last weekend, and this should have been obvious before, but hey.....

My home track is a permanent track, but the layout can be run about 6 different ways. One of those layouts has a kink in the back straight which slows everyone down below the high-timing region of the SPX/RS/SP.

Well what do you know, we ran a slower layout through the kink and the racing was closer! For a fixed FDR class like VTA, you can't ask for an easier solution to a sticky problem.

Let's try making some layout changes at our local tracks and report back with the results. FYI, the back straight ended up being about 70 feet long from the kink to the next turn.
This ends up being (probably) true if everyone is running the FDR-restricted 2s / 21.5 combo which, I guess, is generally the only relevant consideration atm (other than a few clubs like ours). What would happen, though, if you were running the other allowed combos at the same time is that you took away their ONE advantage being unrestricted (and, theoretically, faster on the straight) and played further into the hands of the restricted 2s / 21.5 car by removing it's sole "disadvantage".

It's probably impossible to find the one magic bullet that makes everything equal short of spec'ing esc and motor. From that point it's car setup and driving...PURE racing ala the closest classes in "real" racing. Heck, the CLOSEST classes of all spec chassis as well, but I can already hear the unholy crap-storm brewing over THAT idea...
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This ends up being (probably) true if everyone is running the FDR-restricted 2s / 21.5 combo which, I guess, is generally the only relevant consideration atm (other than a few clubs like ours). What would happen, though, if you were running the other allowed combos at the same time is that you took away their ONE advantage being unrestricted (and, theoretically, faster on the straight) and played further into the hands of the restricted 2s / 21.5 car by removing it's sole "disadvantage".

It's probably impossible to find the one magic bullet that makes everything equal short of spec'ing esc and motor. From that point it's car setup and driving...PURE racing ala the closest classes in "real" racing. Heck, the CLOSEST classes of all spec chassis as well, but I can already hear the unholy crap-storm brewing over THAT idea...
Sadly, the unrestricted 17.5&27T motors don't stand a chance against the high-timing speedos on our 145' straightaway. It's a slaughter. Even last year, the 17.5&27T options were laps off the pace, and we've got some of the best 27T racers in the country lurking around here (east coast; Haynes, Horton, etc.). With this kink, the high-timing speedos can't stay on throttle long enough to hit the high-timing. Given a year, this disparity probably won't be a big issue, but until then it would be nice to get back to door to door racing.
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It's probably impossible to find the one magic bullet that makes everything equal short of spec'ing esc and motor.
Havoc even though I plan on buying a Tekin RS for my next piece. I still think that if you spec it then it should be the cheapest available and one that includes a motor which is already in play, ie the Novak 21.5.
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Someone help me out...I cut and pasted this into Babelfish and STILL couldn't understand it. I'm not sure whether to agree or disagree.
He thinks a Duo 17.5 could be passed off as a Duo 21.5? After that it looks like he doesn't like the motor of the month club open motor will create.

I agree.
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You can make the rules whatever you want, but I think its reached the point where more and more clubs are just using them as a guideline. On one hand you want to find an equalizer, but on the other hand you want to be able to use existing equipment, not likely going to land on a magic setup. I think the further you stray from the current rules, the less likely it will be that clubs will follow.
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