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Old 01-08-2009, 05:38 PM   #3856
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I wish I had a nickel for everytime Doug has given this answer! I'd be rich! But I'd be stupid RICH if I had a penny everytime it has been asked when other 21.5's will be allowed!

So when will the trinity 21.5 be legal in USVTA? Woo Hoo!! one step closer to retirement!!
Yeah, but who's gonna chip in the penny?

FWIW, I think a wider car, while more stable, will be slower in tight corners. Go back and look at when carpet oval cars changed from 235mm wide to the "superspeedway" style- twitchy and less stable at the time, but a ton faster, even on short tracks.
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If you want a new motor approved, get your favorite manufacturer to put up the money, pay the fees and file the forms. It requires ROAR approval. Until then, it doesn't matter, its in the rules. Besides if all motors are built to the same spec, it won't matter as they won't be approved if they're not.
The DUO and other 21.5's are is roar approved!
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been running Mini-z lately...

and every post from you in this thread lately has been "when they changing the motor rule?"

So I don't need to hear you in person, Scooby - I see it in black & white

When I get a saturday that I can get to the Bowl, I'll be down - if not, I'll be running all summer outside

Mini-Z huh? As the usvta director shouldn't you be at the usvta races?
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The DUO and other 21.5's are is roar approved!
Wrong, only the pulse 21.5 is now approved as of 11.14.2008.
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Mini-Z huh? As the usvta director shouldn't you be at the usvta races?
that is true - however, Ray and SJCCR haven't run any races late...and from what I think I read on the mushroom bowl page - you aren't running USVTA there either, so I'm not missing anything...

liljohn beat me to it...just 1 and only 1 21.5 is ROAR approved...and it don't really matter...Doug said there ain't gonna be any motor changes, so it ain't happening - so give it a rest...

and, seems like you are the only who wants to change the class to suit his needs...just run the class according to th rules and quit bitching about the motors...

Don't worry, when SJCCR runs a USVTA event, the Novak 21.5 WILL BE THE ONLY 21.5 allowed...trust me
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Wrong, only the pulse 21.5 is now approved as of 11.14.2008.
Now as I read it from the rules:

"Motor Specifications:
Option 1: 27-turn ROAR stock motor: No FDR limit, bearings are not allowed.

Option 2: 17.5 brushless: Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed).

Option 3: 21.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS21.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3421) ONLY combined with any ROAR-approved hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motor is the ONLY motor allowed at this time, because there are no ROAR mandates or restrictions for the 21.5 brushless motors. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Final drive ratio is to not exceed 4.2. Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed)."

Where does it say the "pulse" motor only?
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Where does it say the "pulse" motor only?
He meant ROAR approved...since the question about the DUO and "other" 21.5's being ROAR approved...

and the answer was, only the pulse is ROAR legal..but NOT USVTA legal
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that is true - however, Ray and SJCCR haven't run any races late...and from what I think I read on the mushroom bowl page - you aren't running USVTA there either, so I'm not missing anything...

liljohn beat me to it...just 1 and only 1 21.5 is ROAR approved...and it don't really matter...Doug said there ain't gonna be any motor changes, so it ain't happening - so give it a rest...

and, seems like you are the only who wants to change the class to suit his needs...just run the class according to th rules and quit bitching about the motors...

Don't worry, when SJCCR runs a USVTA event, the Novak 21.5 WILL BE THE ONLY 21.5 allowed...trust me

We did have a couple of races at the mushroom bowl. I was there you wern't because, you were running mini-z. As far as the motor change, I just think there should be other motors used in the class other than novak that's all. Just my 2 cents, I will run with whatever as long as I can race. So what are you guys gearing the 21.5?
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Well, I guess that settles that argument...
Think again Barry.....I heard he has that question copied in his browser....

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So what are you guys gearing the 21.5?
My car tends to like 4.4 to 4.6 FDR. Our track is compact and mostly technical with only one straight. It comes off the track at about 125 to 135 degrees which is easily in the safe zone.
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Now as I read it from the rules:

"Motor Specifications:
Option 1: 27-turn ROAR stock motor: No FDR limit, bearings are not allowed.

Option 2: 17.5 brushless: Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed).

Option 3: 21.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS21.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3421) ONLY combined with any ROAR-approved hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motor is the ONLY motor allowed at this time, because there are no ROAR mandates or restrictions for the 21.5 brushless motors. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Final drive ratio is to not exceed 4.2. Motor timing advance is allowed. 12.5 mm rotor diameter maximum (no "tuning" rotors are allowed)."

Where does it say the "pulse" motor only?
I was stating from the ROAR website the only other approved motor on their site is the trininity. It is the only other 21.5 ROAR approved motor.

USVTA clearly states NOVAK and its all I run. I think its funny someone calling me on rules. Read a few of my posts.
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ROAR didn't have a 21.5 class until they introduced VTA. So I'll bet Novak didn't think it necessary to get approval for their 21.5 motor. Trinity probably sent theirs in with their new 17.5 motor.

USVTA rules clearly say Novak 21.5 with 2 cell lipo. This is a good thing, it avoids the motor of the week issue, like we're beginning to see in 17.5 stock.
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ROAR didn't have a 21.5 class until they introduced VTA. So I'll bet Novak didn't think it necessary to get approval for their 21.5 motor. Trinity probably sent theirs in with their new 17.5 motor.

USVTA rules clearly say Novak 21.5 with 2 cell lipo. This is a good thing, it avoids the motor of the week issue, like we're beginning to see in 17.5 stock.

Yep... now we just have the LiPo-of-the-week to deal with .. LOL.
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