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Old 11-24-2008, 06:58 PM   #3406
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Please Explain,
(from a person who has only been doing this for a year) what does ROAR even have to do with USVTA, and what does ROAR have to offer by adapting a TA class, I guess I don't get it. So ROAR says "Hey, we'll write down Trans-Am in our little rule book" and this means WHAT??? It's in a book. SOOOOOO.
Someone please explain how it will affect us exclusive Trans-Am racers? I'm so confused
Also, standardization and protection of the rule set currently in place. Without ROAR, there currently would be mayhem in products in the market and the battery, tire, chassis, motor, speedo, etc... of the week would be back in our faces. Without ROAR, rules would be, well, whatever somebody wanted that day and time.

VTA has done a good thing and now with product approvals this can grow even further. Keeping clean what should always be. Thats what ROAR brings to the table.

Although, I am a bit biased in my thinking..... LOL
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Also, standardization and protection of the rule set currently in place. Without ROAR, there currently would be mayhem in products in the market and the battery, tire, chassis, motor, speedo, etc... of the week would be back in our faces. Without ROAR, rules would be, well, whatever somebody wanted that day and time.

VTA has done a good thing and now with product approvals this can grow even further. Keeping clean what should always be. Thats what ROAR brings to the table.

Although, I am a bit biased in my thinking..... LOL
This statement contradicts what ROAR did at the carpet nats in (I think) 2005. They decided to allow brushless motors to run along with open mod brushed motors just 2 weeks before the event. This is part of the reason USVTA stands alone, and why you see other non ROAR events gaining in popularity. I've been to a USVTA race, and everything was kept clean. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Not following you, guess it's my downfall, I don't see what ROAR can do for TA that Marty and Doug haven't already done. Doug has put TA on a NATIONAL level, with ads in top RC magazines with support from HPI, and even Hot Rod magazines.
I stay on top of the RC world even though I only run Trans-Am, it's kind of hard not to, so I have that end covered too, I just hope that it doesn't hurt TA, it's really a lot of fun.
Thank you for taking the time to explain, I appreciate it.
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This statement contradicts what ROAR did at the carpet nats in (I think) 2005. They decided to allow brushless motors to run along with open mod brushed motors just 2 weeks before the event. This is part of the reason USVTA stands alone, and why you see other non ROAR events gaining in popularity. I've been to a USVTA race, and everything was kept clean. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I see these two points as related. First of all the leadership is not the same today as it was in 2005. I have been very critical of ROAR in the past. Dawn can attest to this. ROAR has started listening to the racers again, thanks in no small part to Dawn's leadership (even though I know she'll be humble and deny it). LiPo. Brushless in Super Stock and Stock. Online Publications and voting. These things have all happened under Dawn's watch. So what does ROAR bring to the USVTA? In a nutshell, testing and certification. ROAR has access to much more sophisticated testing equipment to ensure a level playing field. Yes, the race tracks are the ultimate lab, but that takes time and financial commitments. I don't see ROAR or Dawn as wanting to mess with the USVTA one bit. I see ROAR's involvement as someone mentioned earlier a collaboration. ROAR won't take over the USVTA as, quite honestly, they don't need to. ROAR doesn't need the USVTA. The USVTA doesn't need ROAR. But together they are both stronger.
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This statement contradicts what ROAR did at the carpet nats in (I think) 2005. They decided to allow brushless motors to run along with open mod brushed motors just 2 weeks before the event. This is part of the reason USVTA stands alone, and why you see other non ROAR events gaining in popularity. I've been to a USVTA race, and everything was kept clean. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
OK if all of that is true then sure thats pretty bad, but ROAR has been around a long time and they have been considered the standard and the model that other RC racing organizations use to form their own structure. ROAR rules were used as a model for many of the USVTA rules. If they are so bad then join and vote = change it.
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When is the vta changing the 21.5 novak only rule?
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This statement contradicts what ROAR did at the carpet nats in (I think) 2005. They decided to allow brushless motors to run along with open mod brushed motors just 2 weeks before the event. This is part of the reason USVTA stands alone, and why you see other non ROAR events gaining in popularity. I've been to a USVTA race, and everything was kept clean. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Mistakes were made in the past. Thats why its called the 'past'.
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It's not changing anytime soon. Don't count on it, it's not happening right now.
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I'm looking for opinions on running my TA races.

This past Summer I helped oversee our parking lot track which was about 110 feet by 50 feet with about 10 foot lanes. When I race directed when we had 12-15 plus TA cars there. Most of the time I would just put all the cars into one race for the qualifiers and the main. We'd use heads up Lemans start for the 5 minute qualifiers and for the main it was a heads up side-by-side start with a reverse order line up, meaning the best racers started in the rear.

So now this Winter, I'm overseeing and helping race direct pretty much the same racers at our indoor carpet track. the track is now 100 feet by 36 but with 8 foot lanes now, not 10.

This past weekend our first race I had 12 TA cars show up, with racers having a huge difference in skill level. I decided to create and A and B race and have six racers in each race for the qualifiers. For the main race I did what I do in the Summer and put all 12 cars in the main, with the best racers starting in the back. Well, we had a ton of rubbing and scraping and a little hacking that was unintentional. Pretty much everyone was hooping and hollering and having fun but for some of the racers it was a bit frustrating.

So my question is should I keep the A and B separated and not run all the cars together in the main because our lane width is two feet skinnier than the Summer?

If you showed up at my track would it be fun for you?
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To all who come across this thread and wonder what our major malfunction is, I ask you to politely put down your transmitter and please ask a VTA driver for his radio and take his car for a spin. Most are willing. All this nonsense about motors and rules and batteries has gotten in the way of the fun of this thread. I let anyone who asks take my cars for a spin between rounds at my track. I keep a 2nd car and extra LiPo charged just for that. I've reached the point where I almost have 3 cars to run plus my son's. I'm addicted to this class. I love the realism of the looks of the cars.

Before asking questions about rules, tires, bodies and batteries, please visit http://www.usvintagetransam.com/. Click on the rules link in the menu bar and enjoy. They are simple, easy to understand and do not leave any loopholes. You may want recommendations as to what package you run, but that depends on where you are in your RC walk of life.

Relax and enjoy.
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I'm looking for opinions on running my TA races.

This past Summer I helped oversee our parking lot track which was about 110 feet by 50 feet with about 10 foot lanes. When I race directed when we had 12-15 plus TA cars there. Most of the time I would just put all the cars into one race for the qualifiers and the main. We'd use heads up Lemans start for the 5 minute qualifiers and for the main it was a heads up side-by-side start with a reverse order line up, meaning the best racers started in the rear.

So now this Winter, I'm overseeing and helping race direct pretty much the same racers at our indoor carpet track. the track is now 100 feet by 36 but with 8 foot lanes now, not 10.

This past weekend our first race I had 12 TA cars show up, with racers having a huge difference in skill level. I decided to create and A and B race and have six racers in each race for the qualifiers. For the main race I did what I do in the Summer and put all 12 cars in the main, with the best racers starting in the back. Well, we had a ton of rubbing and scraping and a little hacking that was unintentional. Pretty much everyone was hooping and hollering and having fun but for some of the racers it was a bit frustrating.

So my question is should I keep the A and B separated and not run all the cars together in the main because our lane width is two feet skinnier than the Summer?

If you showed up at my track would it be fun for you?
To me it would really depend on how much of a difference in skill. While the class is about fun, it's also about close racing.

Look at the times in the quals, A lot of times there will a noticeable gap and that's where I would split the mains.

So you could have a main w/ 7 and one with 5. To me if that made for closer racing for each group that would be more fun then mixing them all together

Where it's a tuff call is if that split makes one heat only 3 or 4 cars
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So my question is should I keep the A and B separated and not run all the cars together in the main because our lane width is two feet skinnier than the Summer?

If you showed up at my track would it be fun for you?


From my experience in Bolink Legend racing, this is how I would set it up.

Letís say you have 12 cars. I would make a group A and B. Group A would be the first 6 cars to sign up for the class and Group B would be the last 6. After the first heat, I would do a resort and have Group A be the 6 fastest cars and Group B the slower. After the second heat Do another resort for the mains. Run the B main first of the bottom 6 drivers. The winner of the B will have the option of bumping up and running the A main with the top drivers. I like the inverted starts for the mains. But I would still keep the LeMans start, just the TQ would be at the back. JMO.

But the first thing I would do is get the opinions and ideas of the racers and do what they want first. If they like a 12 car main, then go for it.
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