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Old 01-23-2008, 08:22 PM   #241
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Firstly, I'll confirm the Pegasus Camaro and Mustang bodies are READILY available directly from Horizon. I went to their site Wed. eve while these were being discussed, dropped three Camaros and a Mustang in my cart and ordered 'em up. Got confirmation from Horizon yesterday that they have shipped and the tracking info says I should have 'em Tuesday.

Well, did you get them? What do you think?
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Well, did you get them? What do you think?
Yup, they got here as scheduled. Yesterday.

They're DEFINITELY better than the Parma bodies in terms of detail, etc. In fact the fronts of both cars are VERY good. I'd say VERY close to HPI quality. The backs are a bit bland and flat to allow the bodies to come off the one-piece buck (which is why HPI use the separate rear bumper/valence).

The proportions look "squattier" than the HPI. ALL these cars, regardless of manufacturer, are too wide for their length, these just LOOK stubbier.

The wheelbases on both are a bit short...enough so that getting a TC3/TC4 to fit them without compromising on fender cutouts will be tough. Fortunately I've got a Warpspeed DX2 which is the shorter wheelbase TC3 conversion. Maybe I can lengthen it out enought to fit well.

The Mustang, width-wise, will look good over the 31mm tires/wheels on a 190mm chassis. The Camaro is REALLY wide. It will hang over the wheels/tires on my 200mm chassis conversion like the HPI Camaro hangs over the standard 190mm chassis w/31mm wheels and tires.

OH..AND THE (OSTENSIBLY) '70 MUSTANG IS ACTUALLY A '69!! THAT'S pretty cool...I like the front of '69's way better than '70's, and the Parma is such a bland pos it barely counts. Makes me want to pick up a '70 Big Fish and hope hope hope it's a '69 'Cuda!!
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Yup, they got here as scheduled. Yesterday.

They're DEFINITELY better than the Parma bodies in terms of detail, etc. In fact the fronts of both cars are VERY good. I'd say VERY close to HPI quality. The backs are a bit bland and flat to allow the bodies to come off the one-piece buck (which is why HPI use the separate rear bumper/valence).

The proportions look "squattier" than the HPI. ALL these cars, regardless of manufacturer, are too wide for their length, these just LOOK stubbier.

The wheelbases on both are a bit short...enough so that getting a TC3/TC4 to fit them without compromising on fender cutouts will be tough. Fortunately I've got a Warpspeed DX2 which is the shorter wheelbase TC3 conversion. Maybe I can lengthen it out enought to fit well.

The Mustang, width-wise, will look good over the 31mm tires/wheels on a 190mm chassis. The Camaro is REALLY wide. It will hang over the wheels/tires on my 200mm chassis conversion like the HPI Camaro hangs over the standard 190mm chassis w/31mm wheels and tires.

OH..AND THE (OSTENSIBLY) '70 MUSTANG IS ACTUALLY A '69!! THAT'S pretty cool...I like the front of '69's way better than '70's, and the Parma is such a bland pos it barely counts. Makes me want to pick up a '70 Big Fish and hope hope hope it's a '69 'Cuda!!
Can you shoot some Pics for us?
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Yup, they got here as scheduled. Yesterday.

They're DEFINITELY better than the Parma bodies in terms of detail, etc. In fact the fronts of both cars are VERY good. I'd say VERY close to HPI quality. The backs are a bit bland and flat to allow the bodies to come off the one-piece buck (which is why HPI use the separate rear bumper/valence).

The proportions look "squattier" than the HPI. ALL these cars, regardless of manufacturer, are too wide for their length, these just LOOK stubbier.

The wheelbases on both are a bit short...enough so that getting a TC3/TC4 to fit them without compromising on fender cutouts will be tough. Fortunately I've got a Warpspeed DX2 which is the shorter wheelbase TC3 conversion. Maybe I can lengthen it out enought to fit well.

The Mustang, width-wise, will look good over the 31mm tires/wheels on a 190mm chassis. The Camaro is REALLY wide. It will hang over the wheels/tires on my 200mm chassis conversion like the HPI Camaro hangs over the standard 190mm chassis w/31mm wheels and tires.

OH..AND THE (OSTENSIBLY) '70 MUSTANG IS ACTUALLY A '69!! THAT'S pretty cool...I like the front of '69's way better than '70's, and the Parma is such a bland pos it barely counts. Makes me want to pick up a '70 Big Fish and hope hope hope it's a '69 'Cuda!!
Can you shoot some Pics for us?
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I have a Bolink 70 superbird body that would fit right in with these bodies....

Is Bolink bodies ever going to be allowed?
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I have a Bolink 70 superbird body that would fit right in with these bodies....

Is Bolink bodies ever going to be allowed?

It is entirely possible that Bolink bodies might be allowed in the future, but they are 190mm bodies and will not fit well over the wide tires and heavily offset HPI vintage wheels.

Also, the 1970 Superbird was not a Trans Am car (though NASCAR stock car), and would never be allowed in this class, regardless of the manufacturer.
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Can you shoot some Pics for us?
Unfortunately I mocked everything up, made mental notes of what I'd need to do when I tackle these projects and then they all went back into the basement...with the new bodies. I didn't even think to take pictures, my appologies. If there is a specific question I might answer please ask away.

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Is Bolink bodies ever going to be allowed?
I'd say "sure, allow 'em when they finally make a reasonably scale Trans Am car. Superbirds were run in NASCAR (which did run a parallel "pony car" league for many years where many of the old TA cars ended up getting the piss beat out of 'em when they were retired from road racing). Bodies that a Superbird would ACTUALY fit right in with would be Ford Torino/Talladega, Mercury Cyclone, Chev Monte Carlos, etc. All are substantially larger cars (in real life, not the "mud-scale" our bodies become to play "one-size-fits-all" in RC) than the Camaros and Mustangs.
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Although its not "right" for the class, that superbird is 200mm (probably a little wider). I think it was originally made for a pan car. I have one, but its pretty beat up. Used to run it on a TF3 (200mm), with old HPI wide wheels in the back.

Bolink used to make a 65/66? GTO too.... and it didn't look to bad.

Since things are a little off track, I have another body for you... same era but not sure it fits the class. I'll try to get some pics up later.
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Sorry for any "attitude"...nightmare day, and it ain't over yet.

A better way to phrase my query would have been:

I had all the stuff out to compare stuff Tue night. Didn't take pics, filed the info away for future projects which these will be. Probably won't have an opportunity to dig stuff out again to do pics. Regardless, whether doing pics or description, what is it you seek to learn that the description given did not explain? Perhaps I can explain that element and get you ahead of the curve prior to me digging stuff out.

The Datsun and NSU I already had pics of so it was easy to upload and (generally) saved creating the narative description.

As far as racing in Seattle/Portland, you may be surprised to know we may have already "met" in competition
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If the class becomes a nationwide class, do you see HPI coming out with some sort of RTR trans am car based on the Cyclone S, E10, or Sprint 2 chassis? I think that would be pretty cool to see personally. I am really wanting to start this class at my local track. It looks like so much fun!
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If the class becomes a nationwide class, do you see HPI coming out with some sort of RTR trans am car based on the Cyclone S, E10, or Sprint 2 chassis? I think that would be pretty cool to see personally. I am really wanting to start this class at my local track. It looks like so much fun!
Now there is a GREAT IDEA!!

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If the class becomes a nationwide class, do you see HPI coming out with some sort of RTR trans am car based on the Cyclone S, E10, or Sprint 2 chassis? I think that would be pretty cool to see personally. I am really wanting to start this class at my local track. It looks like so much fun!
That's a great idea. Companies like HPI and Tamiya are so strongly behind grassroots racing and classes, that's not really that big of a stretch to consider a race-ready roller based on one of those kits.

No reason why it wouldn't work really well. You never know, maybe HPI could offer a "U.S. Vintage Trans Am Package" that would include a Cyclone S, a set of wheels and tires, and a vintage body of your choice all for one low package price. Seems like a natural marketing opportunity to me.
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Sorry for any "attitude"...nightmare day, and it ain't over yet.

A better way to phrase my query would have been:

I had all the stuff out to compare stuff Tue night. Didn't take pics, filed the info away for future projects which these will be. Probably won't have an opportunity to dig stuff out again to do pics. Regardless, whether doing pics or description, what is it you seek to learn that the description given did not explain? Perhaps I can explain that element and get you ahead of the curve prior to me digging stuff out.

The Datsun and NSU I already had pics of so it was easy to upload and (generally) saved creating the narative description.

As far as racing in Seattle/Portland, you may be surprised to know we may have already "met" in competition
Scott I understand, and no further mention of it needed. Yes we have raced together.
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