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Old 01-06-2008, 05:23 AM   #61
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America sucks these days,Nobody want to take any responceablity.
Im going to the Cigerette machine now as i have my freedom here in Japan.
pretty soon the new world order will take care of that sorry bud
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I wonder if it is the same guys who wued Thunder Power. It was for the same reason "Made in the USA".
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I think this lawsuit is bullshit. How many clones of cars have we seen the last coupe of years and did the manufacturer sue the other companies cause they "stole"the design? There are tons of fake brand clothings available made in China, Poland, Turkey etc. Many of the fake clothing are also then "made in USA" but never sued. Also many people think often that products are made in the USA because the brandname is registrated there: for excample the bikename Trek is registrated in the USA but the bikeframes are manufactured by Giant in Taiwan just like Specialized, "but proud made in the USA" NOT.
Interesting thread.
I am in the bicycle industry and people even in Canada want something " made in the usa".
I dont think at least in my buisness people realize that, that designation means welded in China, assembled in China, but the paint scheme and original frame design (just different enough to make it unique) was "designed" in the usa therefore earning (just barely) the made in usa designation.

On several occasions I have had people try to explain to me why it has to be u.s. made and have yet to recieve a satisfactory rebuttle.

How does this translate to this sport...dont know just my 2 cents.
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pretty soon the new world order will take care of that sorry bud
Lucky for me the New World order is China.

Japan alot of issues but not nearly as many as the states has now. Thank fully Japan still holds on to the old ways,for better or worse. Now i have to find the whale in the fridge.
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Interesting thread.
I am in the bicycle industry and people even in Canada want something " made in the usa".
I dont think at least in my buisness people realize that, that designation means welded in China, assembled in China, but the paint scheme and original frame design (just different enough to make it unique) was "designed" in the usa therefore earning (just barely) the made in usa designation.

On several occasions I have had people try to explain to me why it has to be u.s. made and have yet to recieve a satisfactory rebuttle.

How does this translate to this sport...dont know just my 2 cents.
Well to be honest. I have been visiting the Giant factory some years ago, the Trek and Specialized frames were hanging there to e shipped. Some cheaper Specialized and Trek models are even assembled there and then boxxed and shipped to its destination. I have an USA build frame: Mountain Cycle San Andreas (between us: it is designed by s former Yamaha designer in the USA) BUT it is welded and assembled in the USA!
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I did take the time to read a few websites on the subject.
Fair enough. I just get tired of knee-jerk California-bashing.

On a related note, my other half about had a stroke last night when I was screwing down a piece of 3/4" plywood in advance of the granite guy installing out new counters today. It had a big-old Prop 65 label on it, and she freaked out...wondering what kind of toxic substances I was wood screwing to the cabinets...so evidently, some people haven't been as numbed to it as others.

I'd say the net result has been more positive than negative...but probably not by much. Life hasn't ceased, it's not exactly a huge drain on the economy.

I'm sure that to some small degree we're better off without constant exposure to some of the substances on the list...or at least knowing that some of them are present, so that you can make your own decisions accordingly.

BTW -- I went and got a different sheet of plywood...one that wasn't finished as nicely and didn't have the label. I'd say the economy (via Home Depot) got a $12 boost from Prop 65 today...LOL
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Lucky for me the New World order is China.
bwahahhah if you only knew

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Japan alot of issues but not nearly as many as the states has now. Thank fully Japan still holds on to the old ways,for better or worse. Now i have to find the whale in the fridge.
japan is awesome i like the diversity there i would still be there if it weren't for me bein so big i fell like a giant in a scene from the wizard of oz there when the all the munch kins come out ahahhaha i am at least 1.2 feet taller than the average population hahahh and i hate hitting my head every where i go lol.

but is a awesome place no doubt
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I'd be really curious to know if say the one capacitor, or some miniature component that NOVAK used (that cost them the Made in the USA logo) is even made by ANY company in the USA?
As someone in the electronics industry, I'd be shocked if there was an electronic component in a Novak speed control that was actually made in the USA. Virtually all electronic components come from overseas, and in a product like a speed control, the bill-of-material costs are probably about half of Novak's selling price (to distributors, that is). If anything in an ESC (from anyone - I'm not picking on Novak here) comes from the US, it's probably minor components such as heatsinks, plastic enclosures, etc.

Do I respect Novak for assembling their products in the US? Damn straight. Do I think they reserved to be financially punished for the claims they made? No, but those claims weren't accurate per my intepretation of the FTC rules.

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*sigh* What positive end result will this have?
Frankly, as someone whose job depends on US manufacturing, I would like to see fairness and accuracy in claims of origin. If indeed the majority of the components that went into my three Losi cars didn't come from the US, then I do feel a bit deceived, because that "Made in USA" label on the box did influence my purchase. I also don't think that class-action lawsuits that primarily benefit the lawyers are the right way to fix these issues.
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So here is a silly Question. Are there any RC cars made in America? A car that you can drive proudly knowing it is American. Im guessing there are some 1/10th pan cars and a few 1/12th ot there but is there anythjing else?
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So here is a silly Question. Are there any RC cars made in America? A car that you can drive proudly knowing it is American. Im guessing there are some 1/10th pan cars and a few 1/12th ot there but is there anythjing else?
As I read the rule, I doubt it. I don't believe the ball bearings in the kits are made in the USA. I don't think it takes much to get yourself off the list.
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To be honest the law suit is the lawsuit and will go on no matter what we say or do. Although in all actuality when it all balls down to it I will buy what I want from where I want no matter the circumstances. It's just that simple. No law suit nor anyones idea of what is right or wrong will change that theory for me. If the price is right I will get it...
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As I read the rule, I doubt it. I don't believe the ball bearings in the kits are made in the USA. I don't think it takes much to get yourself off the list.
Im not really worried about this rule but i was more interested in what people think. I dont car about bearings, or speed controls,But the basic car kit. Like is a there a LOSI that is American made, the best model of sorts. In the guitar world if it is made in America, It says it and you pay for it as its American Made. The imports are imports but also have thier own levels. Its been a while but Fender used to go something like this.
American
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India/China
Quaility was a reflection of sorts where it was made.
Just an idea if American RC compaines want to offer a Truely made in America car.
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Is this thread for real?

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Is this thread for real?

I wondered that. I recently spent two weeks in sunny LA, my first visit to the USA for almost a year. Have you guys noticed that your country is now made in China?

Clothes, pottery, badges, shoes, sports clothes, iPods, PCs, videos, stereos... I couldn't find any product made in America except the Ford Expedition I hired for the road trips. Apart from cars and trucks (and there were plenty of Hino trucks in LA) what is it that is made in the USA these days?

It's a real shame. USA-made products were different, even unusual, in the past. Now, apart from it being cheaper, there is no reason to buy anything in the USA - it's all the same Chinese stuff we get in Europe! As for the long-term damage this is doing to your economy, please look at the demise of the UK from 1948 to 1967 (when we had to borrow money from the IMF, because none of the markets would lend to a bankrupt UK any more!) for the example you are now following.

So Losi and AE make bits in China and Japan - is the Pope Catholic... do bears s**t in the woods...? Only in the USA could you sue for that and get compensation!!
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Real easy to fix this problem. If it's not made in the USA...then DON"T advertise it as such. False advertising is a quick way to get sued.
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