ROAR B/L motor Rules debate thread
#601
Tech Regular
I think that one thing we might be able to do for the 13.5 guys is to allow them to run with the 10.5's. Yes, they would be at a disadvantage but it would give them some time to save up the cash that they need for a new motor. I don't know, just thinking out loud.
I would bet that most of the local clubs that have a healthy 13.5 class will continue to have that class regardless of the new rules.
I would bet that most of the local clubs that have a healthy 13.5 class will continue to have that class regardless of the new rules.
#602
You may be in an area where you have the pleasure to race 19t, however I am not. Around here it is very rare to be able to run it. The track an hour north of me occasionally will have it, but the track I run at the most does not have it and has no intentions of having it. I tried to get the class going, but I was the only person who could drive a 19t faster around the track than stock, I was all for it, but nobody else wanted to do it. So when the track goes to 27t/17.5 what do we tell the person with the 13.5 who is able to run at their track?
That way we can all travel from track to track and be able to race what we have.
#603
You may be in an area where you have the pleasure to race 19t, however I am not. Around here it is very rare to be able to run it. The track an hour north of me occasionally will have it, but the track I run at the most does not have it and has no intentions of having it. I tried to get the class going, but I was the only person who could drive a 19t faster around the track than stock, I was all for it, but nobody else wanted to do it. So when the track goes to 27t/17.5 what do we tell the person with the 13.5 who is able to run at their track?
#605
I don't see the need to further divide classes, all this tends to do is bring participation down in each class. We are not going to be able to make everyone happy, and that's just how it is. Again, if local clubs want to continue running 13.5, they are ecouraged to do so.
#606
Tech Champion
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Ok....How about this.
Make 13.5 the Spec Mod motor for Indoor Carpet tracks.
Make 10.5 the Spec Mod motor for Outdoor Asphalt tracks.
The rules for both motors are identical except for wire length and wind. This way everyone is happy.
The carpet guys wont have to deal with too much motor and the asphalt guys don't have to deal with too little motor.
Make 13.5 the Spec Mod motor for Indoor Carpet tracks.
Make 10.5 the Spec Mod motor for Outdoor Asphalt tracks.
The rules for both motors are identical except for wire length and wind. This way everyone is happy.
The carpet guys wont have to deal with too much motor and the asphalt guys don't have to deal with too little motor.
#607
Just make it stock and mod. There is really no need for 19t, even thought for most types of 1/10 electric this seems to be about the best amount of power for everyone.
There are already too many classes. I looked at the Novak race results and couldn't figure it out. 3 classes of foam, 3 classes of rubber, sportsman? WTF?? I don't even think there was a C main in the Mod class! Isn't this supposed to be the premiere class? Less than 30 entries? (Maybe I'm missing something there)
Stock and Mod. Define them and roll with it. If some of us have to eat a motor or two we'll live (I can't believe anybody that has raced stock in the last couple years would complain ). If we can afford to play with toy cars at all we can afford a new motor to race a well defined class.
The real problem has always been the batteries anyway.
There are already too many classes. I looked at the Novak race results and couldn't figure it out. 3 classes of foam, 3 classes of rubber, sportsman? WTF?? I don't even think there was a C main in the Mod class! Isn't this supposed to be the premiere class? Less than 30 entries? (Maybe I'm missing something there)
Stock and Mod. Define them and roll with it. If some of us have to eat a motor or two we'll live (I can't believe anybody that has raced stock in the last couple years would complain ). If we can afford to play with toy cars at all we can afford a new motor to race a well defined class.
The real problem has always been the batteries anyway.
#608
Tech Elite
iTrader: (51)
If everyone is already running 13.5 right now, then keep it that way. Don't force everyone to start running 17.5 in stock. You could also move the guys running 13.5 to an "Open 19Turn" class and open up a new class for 17.5/Stock. Talk to the track directors and racers at your track and at the other track in the area and try to figure out something consistent between the two tracks. I would suggest to do what is best for your area, not what is best for a national event.
#609
Tech Adept
I agree with Panther420,
The reason the sport is not growing is at most tracks newbies are thrown to the wolves. They have to run with the 13.5 or 10.5 cars. If tracks would adopt the 17.5 class as a beginner class maybe more new racers would stay in the hobby. When they reach a certain level they should be moved up to the next class. The transfer to the next level would be much easier for them.
Dave Irrgang
The reason the sport is not growing is at most tracks newbies are thrown to the wolves. They have to run with the 13.5 or 10.5 cars. If tracks would adopt the 17.5 class as a beginner class maybe more new racers would stay in the hobby. When they reach a certain level they should be moved up to the next class. The transfer to the next level would be much easier for them.
Dave Irrgang
#610
Ok....How about this.
Make 13.5 the Spec Mod motor for Indoor Carpet tracks.
Make 10.5 the Spec Mod motor for Outdoor Asphalt tracks.
The rules for both motors are identical except for wire length and wind. This way everyone is happy.
The carpet guys wont have to deal with too much motor and the asphalt guys don't have to deal with too little motor.
Make 13.5 the Spec Mod motor for Indoor Carpet tracks.
Make 10.5 the Spec Mod motor for Outdoor Asphalt tracks.
The rules for both motors are identical except for wire length and wind. This way everyone is happy.
The carpet guys wont have to deal with too much motor and the asphalt guys don't have to deal with too little motor.
#611
Tech Adept
Adrian,
I would not be happy with 10.5 only on asphalt, I like 10.5 on carpet. I run 13.5 on carpet to get extra practice.
Dave Irrgang
I would not be happy with 10.5 only on asphalt, I like 10.5 on carpet. I run 13.5 on carpet to get extra practice.
Dave Irrgang
#612
I agree with Panther420,
The reason the sport is not growing is at most tracks newbies are thrown to the wolves. They have to run with the 13.5 or 10.5 cars. If tracks would adopt the 17.5 class as a beginner class maybe more new racers would stay in the hobby. When they reach a certain level they should be moved up to the next class. The transfer to the next level would be much easier for them.
Dave Irrgang
The reason the sport is not growing is at most tracks newbies are thrown to the wolves. They have to run with the 13.5 or 10.5 cars. If tracks would adopt the 17.5 class as a beginner class maybe more new racers would stay in the hobby. When they reach a certain level they should be moved up to the next class. The transfer to the next level would be much easier for them.
Dave Irrgang
None of this seems to be a problem in offroad nitro where there is no stock, 19t, or mod and at bigger events they turn away entries because of overwhealming interest.
#613
My .02............not that anybody cares
17.5 should be the stock class. Its slow enough that the factory stock guys won't run it, but its fast enough that the average racer will still have alot of fun.
13.5 should be the mid level class.....very fast lap times, as seen at the novak race last week
both classes should be 6 cell.......that means stick packs, lipo's or matched packs.............nobody is excluded
The mod class should be 5 cell and open motor.....its a big jump from 13.5 six cell.....but its not so fast that only 10 guys in the world can hang onto it
17.5 should be the stock class. Its slow enough that the factory stock guys won't run it, but its fast enough that the average racer will still have alot of fun.
13.5 should be the mid level class.....very fast lap times, as seen at the novak race last week
both classes should be 6 cell.......that means stick packs, lipo's or matched packs.............nobody is excluded
The mod class should be 5 cell and open motor.....its a big jump from 13.5 six cell.....but its not so fast that only 10 guys in the world can hang onto it
#614
Those are very sound assesments of power/skill level and sensible but the mod class does not include a provision for Lipo voltage. Like it or not, lipo is coming (roar sanctioned or not) and coming hard. I think a class that excludes it would not last. What about a motor cap for mod too?
#615
Tech Elite
iTrader: (51)
My .02............not that anybody cares
17.5 should be the stock class. Its slow enough that the factory stock guys won't run it, but its fast enough that the average racer will still have alot of fun.
13.5 should be the mid level class.....very fast lap times, as seen at the novak race last week
both classes should be 6 cell.......that means stick packs, lipo's or matched packs.............nobody is excluded
The mod class should be 5 cell and open motor.....its a big jump from 13.5 six cell.....but its not so fast that only 10 guys in the world can hang onto it
17.5 should be the stock class. Its slow enough that the factory stock guys won't run it, but its fast enough that the average racer will still have alot of fun.
13.5 should be the mid level class.....very fast lap times, as seen at the novak race last week
both classes should be 6 cell.......that means stick packs, lipo's or matched packs.............nobody is excluded
The mod class should be 5 cell and open motor.....its a big jump from 13.5 six cell.....but its not so fast that only 10 guys in the world can hang onto it