R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-17-2008, 01:22 PM   #1021
Tech Legend
 
Wild Cherry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: TRCR Modified Driver
Posts: 22,595
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by timmay70 View Post
Hey Cherry, you send in your membership app yet?
Mail man has not arrive yet ....
__________________
Any driver can copy a great set up, a Champion however will steal it .
If Jesus returned as a Rc car he be a Rc10 B5M
George W. Cherry
Wild Cherry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 03:18 PM   #1022
Tech Elite
 
Jake S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Erie PA
Posts: 4,607
Trader Rating: 66 (92%+)
Send a message via AIM to Jake S Send a message via MSN to Jake S
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xtreameracer View Post
is the 17.5 that much slower than a 27 turn, 4 cell and 6 cell ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
on road, no...

off road.. a bit....
how much slower is it in offroad? just curious before i go out and buy new 17.5s for any bigger races i may attend. currently have a pair of 13.5s, and sold my 6.5 and 7.5 since to race brushless now i don't need to race mod.

at our local track the 13.5 sintered was running exactly like a 19turn brushed [both 241 seconds & 67 laps] so i agree that the 13.5 is like a 19 turn brushed in oval, just curious how close the 17.5 is.
__________________
VooDoo Racing Cells | Flying Farmer RC | Trackside Hobby | Prochko Paintz | RG1
Jake S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 03:32 PM   #1023
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chandler, Arizona
Posts: 3,273
Send a message via AIM to Dawn Sanchez
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake S View Post
how much slower is it in offroad? just curious before i go out and buy new 17.5s for any bigger races i may attend. currently have a pair of 13.5s, and sold my 6.5 and 7.5 since to race brushless now i don't need to race mod.

at our local track the 13.5 sintered was running exactly like a 19turn brushed [both 241 seconds & 67 laps] so i agree that the 13.5 is like a 19 turn brushed in oval, just curious how close the 17.5 is.
really not much... our local club runs 13.5 here in the stock class and I honestly think its too much for the thinking we want to slow this down. If you want to run ROAR events in stock, you'll need that 17.5 in 2008.
Dawn Sanchez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 03:34 PM   #1024
Tech Regular
 
Capelracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Bunbury, West Oz
Posts: 339
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
Nah.... way too much pressure.... and how can that job be fun?
Dare we mention..... Monica Lewinski???
Capelracer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 03:36 PM   #1025
Tech Elite
 
Jake S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Erie PA
Posts: 4,607
Trader Rating: 66 (92%+)
Send a message via AIM to Jake S Send a message via MSN to Jake S
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
really not much... our local club runs 13.5 here in the stock class and I honestly think its too much for the thinking we want to slow this down. If you want to run ROAR events in stock, you'll need that 17.5 in 2008.
i agree the 13.5 is more then stock on high traction tracks. will there still be a class for the 17.5 in 2009? will the 17.5/27t and 13.5/19t classes stay? i also feel the 10.5 is alittle hotter then a 19turn brushed on a bigger track.

sorry for the questions just trying to figure out what i need to do this rookie will keep his 13.5s for superstock if the 17.5 isn't here to stay
__________________
VooDoo Racing Cells | Flying Farmer RC | Trackside Hobby | Prochko Paintz | RG1
Jake S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 05:13 PM   #1026
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Chandler, Arizona
Posts: 3,273
Send a message via AIM to Dawn Sanchez
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capelracer View Post
Dare we mention..... Monica Lewinski???
ok, and how would THAT be fun ....???
Dawn Sanchez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 05:27 PM   #1027
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,570
Trader Rating: 26 (96%+)
Default

Just run mod and then you don't have to worry about what motor you bring to the track.
party_wagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 05:46 PM   #1028
Tech Champion
 
JayBee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: 12TH-MAN COUNTRY
Posts: 6,813
Trader Rating: 31 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
its my fault.. I got him going... I fed the cat.

He messaged me the membership is in the mail today. ROAR Admin will contact me when its received.
*Correction Dawn*- You fed the troll!!!
__________________
R C 3 G R A F I X _ F U S I O N . G R A P H I X _ S E A T T L E - R/C - R A C E R S _ E M E R A L D C I T Y R C . C O M

A E - 12R5.2 _ S M - REV8 PRO
JayBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 06:24 PM   #1029
Tech Master
 
Verndog's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PPDBillet.com USA
Posts: 1,845
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
....If you want to run ROAR events in stock, you'll need that 17.5 in 2008.
OR 27T if you want to have a shot at a win at TC.

Any takers this ruling just put the squeeze on the 17.5 for "competing" in sedan?? As for slowing down stock, it will only slow down the people running it.
__________________
--->Dial-a-Grip for TC6
Kevin -- PPDBillet---TC6---Exoray 008
---Team Hoarders---
Verndog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 06:43 PM   #1030
Tech Fanatic
 
trailranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 946
Default

Vern, If the racer is good enough to invest $100's of dollars in brushed equipment just to have an advantage in 27T stock over the 17.5 guy I think that racer is in the wrong racing class. In reality, no matter the physical advantage the car still needs a good driver to stay up front. If the driver is good enough to exploit the adavantages of the 17.5 with setup and driving skill I believe he is racing in a class beneeth his skill. Those hotshoes need to bump up to a faster class.
trailranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 06:59 PM   #1031
Tech Master
 
PitNamedGordie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Highwood, IL
Posts: 1,789
Trader Rating: 8 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to PitNamedGordie Send a message via Yahoo to PitNamedGordie
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailranger View Post
Vern, If the racer is good enough to invest $100's of dollars in brushed equipment just to have an advantage in 27T stock over the 17.5 guy I think that racer is in the wrong racing class. In reality, no matter the physical advantage the car still needs a good driver to stay up front. If the driver is good enough to exploit the adavantages of the 17.5 with setup and driving skill I believe he is racing in a class beneeth his skill. Those hotshoes need to bump up to a faster class.


BINGO! And how many actually have competed with a 17.5 in TC already to really say there is a major advantage for the aveage 27T.
__________________
☆ The Track @ Harbor Hobbies ☆ www.harbor-hobby.net ☆
PitNamedGordie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 07:08 PM   #1032
Tech Master
 
Verndog's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PPDBillet.com USA
Posts: 1,845
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailranger View Post
Vern, If the racer is good enough to invest $100's of dollars in brushed equipment just to have an advantage in 27T stock over the 17.5 guy I think that racer is in the wrong racing class.
Brushed equipment is going for pennies on the dollar...many are wondering what to do with it all.... and people putting excessive money toward an edge has been going on forever and will continue.

So your comment further proves my point....competitive 17.5's will not exist on the upper levels of ROAR competition.
__________________
--->Dial-a-Grip for TC6
Kevin -- PPDBillet---TC6---Exoray 008
---Team Hoarders---
Verndog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 08:08 PM   #1033
Tech Master
 
miller tyme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,713
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verndog View Post
B...competitive 17.5's will not exist on the upper levels of ROAR competition.
Anyone remember when the Midnight or Slot Machine were the latest and greatest? Now they are arcaicly slow and still the CO-27 is 27 turns, 22awg. The 17.5 is only an infant, allow the class to mature and I'll bet 12-18 months from now they will be faster than at least the current brushed motor.
__________________
Ken Miller
RCTarget - Capricorn - Pro Level RC - MAX Power - Maxima Fuel - EA Motorsorts - TQ Wire

LONG LIVE OPEN MODIFIED
miller tyme is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 08:28 PM   #1034
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 151
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
The 17.5's are pretty new and they'll get faster just like the ROAR 91 motors got faster. I think you'll see entire clubs go brushless in stock because it's cheaper in the long run and not because it's faster.

All of the guys that just want more speed can simply move up to a faster class.
Unregistered, killingtime, miller tyme

On the first point, my understanding is that to make brushless motors faster you can achieve performance gains in two ways; 1 by altering the rotor, 2 by altering the speed control timing. Since ROAR seems interested in not allowing changes in the rotors for the "Stock" class that would put the attention on the software. This gets ugly fast as the technology there becomes very arcane. Just ask a model railroad guy about DCC. Not to mention you are now adding more gear including most likely a laptop to every pit box.

On the second point, if it was difficult for ROAR to effectively eliminate brushed motors, imagine how hard it is for track owners. These folks have to pay rent and cannot afford to turn away a paying racer because they want to run brushed. Yes brushless is a better solution for them but they need help in making that point. 'ROAR legal' is a great excuse for them to say "hey if you want to race anywhere else you'll need to do this as well."

On the last point, If that were happening Mod would be a very healthy class. 'Nuf said.
Thugs Bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 08:32 PM   #1035
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 151
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leodis View Post
Agreed. ROAR apparently constructed the classes based on the premise that there are a lot of racers out there who still have a bunch of 27T and 19T motors and want to get some use out of them before they switch over to BL. If 13.5 replaces brushed stock and mod becomes a more robust class (without 19T) at regional and national events in 2009, it will be worth it. Having only two classes at big races will allow people to compete against a larger pool of racers and it might raise the number of entries because racers would likely have to take less time off work in order to attend one of them.
Leodis,
I would be fine with this but my understanding is this is not what ROAR has decided. My understanding is that in 2009 13.5 will become the 19t class with 19t no longer allowed. Thus leaving three classes, 27t/17.5, 13.5 and Mod. Dawn, am I wrong? I think two classes would be a very good thing given the state of racing currently, but I don't think that is what has been proposed.
Thugs Bunny is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Roar Brushless motor debate thread. *Chrominator* Electric Off-Road 173 01-18-2008 10:52 AM
New ROAR rules Rfury Georgia Racing 9 01-16-2008 12:58 PM
Roar Rules rollagen Nitro On-Road 1 08-06-2007 06:04 PM
? on ROAR rules gator Electric On-Road 2 11-23-2002 12:13 AM
ROAR rules LooseCannon Nitro On-Road 18 09-08-2002 11:03 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 08:12 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net