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Old 01-15-2008, 07:26 PM
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well it backs up what I heard from someone in cleveland about Roar testing 13.5 and 17.5 saying 17.5 is closer to 27
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:44 PM
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a 13.5 is like a brushed 19t on its 5th run
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:59 PM
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did I miss something what's with the stormer website saying 17.5 is the new roar stock motor?
no it doesn't quit say that...."The stock equivalent".
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so.. home from the meeting.... We met most of the evening Friday, all day Saturday and took a little break to visit the AMA convention next door and then all day Sunday. The minutes will be posted on the website shortly, (as soon as Corey gets his email).. and you will see nine pages of information we widdled down to something readable.

But.. you want to know..

Yes, 27T and 17.5 is the stock class of racing in ROAR competition and ... This will slow down the stock class of racing as it needs to be and maintain the stock brushed motor use at most events, especially off road, we are assuming.

19T and 10.5 is the Super Stock class. (formerly called 19T class) We recommend local programs stick with what they are doing that is working for their integration of brushed and brushless motor racing. In 2009, 13.5 will be the Super Stock class.

I'm sure there are criticisms, questions and probably even a little disappointment out there. We took the future of ROAR racing, our membership and our affliates into consideration. I'm sure you all can understand the position the Excom was placed in and the decisions were not made hastily. This thread was extremely insightful and educational for me and I thank each of you.

AND.. GEORGE CHERRY.. LIPO 7.4V BATTERIES ARE APPROVED IN ALL 6 CELL SUB-C 7.2V CLASSES.... SO WHERE IS YOUR MEMBERSHIP FORM??
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personally I think roar just took a big step in the right direction, and in my opinion, for all the right reasons....
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I don't know what to say, except, I am glad I didn't trade my 10.5 and 17.5 motors.

Question 1:
So I can run my 13.5 in the Super Stock Class along with the 10.5's?

Question 2:
For 2009 5-Cell competion , can a 6.6V LiFePO4 pack be ran together?
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Originally Posted by trailranger View Post


I don't know what to say, except, I am glad I didn't trade my 10.5 and 17.5 motors.

Question 1:
So I can run my 13.5 in the Super Stock Class along with the 10.5's?

Question 2:
For 2009 5-Cell competion , can a 6.6V LiFePO4 pack be ran together?
Yes, the Super Stock is a limit down to 10.5 BL.. meaning your 13.5 is very accepted and actually recommended in the class along with 19T brushed motors.

what 5 cell competition is there now? Will it be there officially in 2009? We haven't looked past the 6 cell combination of racing for now.... of course, we will have to do that very soon for the 2009 rule book.
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Thanks for the update Dawn.
ROAR is on the move now, I would think that we all appreciate the fast response that you have given us, so thanks to all of the Excom members, your hard work and willingness to listen to the racers.

Good decision on the rules upgrades.

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what 5 cell competition is there now?
Just those Chaps across the pond want to play too!
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Default Roar BL changes.

While I applaude ROAR for taking steps towards the future, and I can't fault them for doing so. I fully agree with how they have choosen to structure the BL classes after getting a whooping last friday by a 13.5 against my brushed CO27.
I do however believe that another dynamic of racing has been removed from R/C. Name any other form of racing where motor or engine tuning is not apart of racing? And I don't consider speedo tuning to be motor tuning although they are related to each other. Having a motor to rebuild and to make sure that it is running good, no hung brushes, has a good cut to it, the com isn't too small and gonna explode, spring tension is appropriate, and so on. All of this has now been removed from racing.
Of course all in my opinion. Guess it is time to by a BL system.

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Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez
19T and 10.5 is the Super Stock class. (formerly called 19T class) We recommend local programs stick with what they are doing that is working for their integration of brushed and brushless motor racing. In 2009, 13.5 will be the Super Stock class.
Does this mean that in 2009 you will not be able to run a brushed 19t in the super stock class? Also, are there any plans as far as stock goes, will brushed motors always be allowed in the class?

Well needless to say, I will be doing so more testing, but I fear it will be back to brushed motors for stock racing for me.
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Originally Posted by trailranger View Post
Just those Chaps across the pond want to play too!
Ah... then they get to do it the American way....... LOL
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Originally Posted by trilerian View Post
Does this mean that in 2009 you will not be able to run a brushed 19t in the super stock class? Also, are there any plans as far as stock goes, will brushed motors always be allowed in the class?

Well needless to say, I will be doing so more testing, but I fear it will be back to brushed motors for stock racing for me.
yes, that means in 2009, 13.5 BL will be the motor in Super Stock. No brushed motor in Super Stock.

Stock - no intention of changing the 27T popularity and I doubt it will. The 17.5 has its advantages and some disadvantages. For on road, I feel this is a close call.. for off road.. I see 27T brushed being used more. But, that's the testing I have seen at the track where I live.
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$&#* I bought my 13.5 about 3 months ago in preperation for the new season which I will start racing in 2 weeks... and I can't buy the 17.5 cause I just dropped $500 on fuel and a few parts since I have no LHS...arg, though its none of your problems, Im just somewhat venting.
It does sound like its the right move, well just have to see what the individual clubs do about it. I am sure 17.5 will be hard to get ahold of for quite a while since I only see that Novak makes one currently (please correct me if I am wrong). Who wants a 13.5 brand spankin new, only JUST soldered up?(actually as of yesterday.)
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Originally Posted by Dawn Sanchez View Post
yes, that means in 2009, 13.5 BL will be the motor in Super Stock. No brushed motor in Super Stock.

Stock - no intention of changing the 27T popularity and I doubt it will. The 17.5 has its advantages and some disadvantages. For on road, I feel this is a close call.. for off road.. I see 27T brushed being used more. But, that's the testing I have seen at the track where I live.
At least in a year then, my 13.5's will still be useful, that is of course unless there is a better one out by then.
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