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Old 12-16-2007, 10:31 AM   #16
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I don't see why this is succh a big deal. If a racer doesn't marshal, DQ there best qualifier, or dock a lap from there best qualifier......that will teach them.
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I have to ask.... without and disrespect, how small is your track? If you only need 4 marshalls, I am surprised you can get 7-8 cars racing on the track.

I think that the easiest solution is that ALL drivers from the previous round marshall and if the track is flooded with marshalls it just means they will be able to tend to wrecked cars that much faster.
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I don't see why this is succh a big deal. If a racer doesn't marshal, DQ there best qualifier, or dock a lap from there best qualifier......that will teach them.
I completely agree... It really is not a big deal... I fear that you are being to soft with the group, run the race, some will respect you, others will not... But at the end of the day the people that are not doing their part should be brought up...
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:03 AM   #19
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is your track tha small that you only need 4 marshall's. i would as a racer see all 8 racer from the previous heat out there. that way you have a better coverage of the track. and less wait for the drivers that might accidently, got hit or .... That way there no confusion to who has to marshall. every one does. We also have a tech table. beside the race announcer. When the driver comes off the track He places his car on the table and procced out to marshall.
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I require all drivers from the previous round to be on the track to marshal the race after thier own. Even if only 7 are needed (or in your case 4), this eliminates question, doubt, hesitation, or any other reason to not marshal.

You say you don't have room for more than 4. Thats fine still require them to be there. Even if they are standing in a corner or dead area, or where ever, who cares, at least they all know they must be there or get docked. This way when someone pops a ball cup or something there is someone there to get the car going for the driver without leaving that spot unattended.

I'm of the belief that marshalling is as important to a race as the racing its self. For this reason I don't mess with just docking. I Disqualify. Sounds rough sure but hear me out. What would happen if a driver were cought cheating. DQ right? Well in my book, not marshalling is as disrespectfull to others as cheating would be. Since I started this no exceptions no tollerence policy I have only had to DQ one person. Other than that marshalling has been smooth.
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I have to ask.... without and disrespect, how small is your track? If you only need 4 marshalls, I am surprised you can get 7-8 cars racing on the track.

I think that the easiest solution is that ALL drivers from the previous round marshall and if the track is flooded with marshalls it just means they will be able to tend to wrecked cars that much faster.
The track is 48x100 asphalt and 4 is the limit. The way the track is layed out 6 is the most with getting into the drivers/other marshalls way....

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Old 12-16-2007, 11:29 AM   #20
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Depending on where the open side of the track is you can easily fit 8 marshalls there and definately 6. Even if you have to double up on positions.

I've found the most effective method is to put out cones with numbers on them where the marshalls are needed. This way they know where to go and I as the race director can tell if they are marshalling at a glance. I can also easily see that way when they send a substitute to marshall. Getting certain people to marshall is always a problem but if you start imposing penalties either the problem goes away or they do.
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:45 AM   #21
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Have the smaller guys neal down in a on the track somewhere out of the line of sight. It can be done. 4 corners, in front of the drivers stand, someone in the middle kneeling down, someone along the back straight, and maybe 1 more guy on the track somewhere in conspicuous.
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2. Please keep track and racerís names out of your discussion.

This discussion can apply to all tracks. Some tracks implement marshaling policies better than others. The amount of required marshals per track does not matter at this point. I found out from traveling to many tracks, the least marshals required, the longer the race director has to wait and yell to get marshals out on the track.

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- Example of 4 marshals: Make 8 Marshal Cards. Hand out 4 cards to drivers as they exit the drivers stand. Keep the other 4 for the next round and retrieve the first 4 from marshals as they finish their duties.
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a simple but effective method to get all racers (or there chosen subs )up to marshall: A one lap penalty will be enforced in the main event you have quailified for if you don't showup to marshall the race after you have run or provide a qualified replacement to marshall in your place! It works where i come from!
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is your track tha small that you only need 4 marshall's. i would as a racer see all 8 racer from the previous heat out there. that way you have a better coverage of the track. and less wait for the drivers that might accidently, got hit or .... That way there no confusion to who has to marshall. every one does. We also have a tech table. beside the race announcer. When the driver comes off the track He places his car on the table and procced out to marshall.
thats the way and only way to do it,i can fit 10 marshalles in 10 sq feet area
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thats the way and only way to do it,i can fit 10 marshalles in 10 sq feet area
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thats the way and only way to do it,i can fit 10 marshalles in 10 sq feet area
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With 10 marshalls around/in the track I wonder if the drivers might have some trouble see their car and track....
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Old 12-16-2007, 03:50 PM   #27
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With 10 marshalls around/in the track I wonder if the drivers might have some trouble see their car and track....
Depends on the size of the marshall.
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With 10 marshalls around/in the track I wonder if the drivers might have some trouble see their car and track....
if thats the case,then u can use the extra marchalls to do somthing else,clean around the track or hand out flyers to promate the race track,anthying other then let the lazy ones sit down wrench on thier cars while the others are marchalling
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As a race director myself, the best senerio is to have an impound table for the racers cars after their race is over and have them report for corner marshalling directly after the race, without letting them return to the pits at all. Any racer that dosen't corner marshall after there race has their previous run disqualified - the only exceptions are the handicapped, or the racer is racing in consecutive races. You call for the marshalls for the next race, if they are not there by the time race starts, disqualify their run. DO NOT GO CHASING AFTER THEM! Let the racers come to you when they want to know why their results are not posted. Don't post the race results untill the racers have finished their corner marshalling duties, i.e. the results from race 1 should not be posted untill before race 3.

This system takes 1 round of qualifing (and about 2 or 3 disqualifications), then you will no longer have a marshalling problem for the rest of the race day.
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Don't post the race results untill the racers have finished their corner marshalling duties, i.e. the results from race 1 should not be posted untill before race 3.
This is another tool in the arsenal to prevent distraction. I like this.
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