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Old 12-14-2007, 02:12 PM   #31
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I just shipped a DX2.0 in its original box to Sweden. USPS International, customs, etc, $15.20, eight days to arrive.

Another one pounder to the Republic of Slovakia, same as above, under $16.00.

Your branch of the USPS might be "adding" extra charges that are not necessary.
That sounds like it was shipped First Class or Priority. Express would have been much more but I believe it's the only traceable international delivery method the USPS offers.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:40 PM   #32
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isnt that obvious then that shipping was not part of the $84, but u want to pay only $84?

i'm sure u worked out that that shipping wasnt included by the breakup of the individual items


isnt any wonder why some shops dont ship overseas, u get people trying to rip them off by doing the old CC refund trick

Dude, I spend $4000 to $5000 per year on RC gear (I fly planes aswell), I am "international", my usual order is over US$500 and I dont pay any shipping when I buy from Tower, but Tower doesnt carry all the gear I want. The store I bought from is also in the US, I am certainly not trying to rip anyone off. Its a shame that you are even going down that path... you really think this is a scam to make $40???
If I was planning on denying the payment through the bank, do you think I'd be talking about it here? I want to establish an ongoing relationship with the store, not diddle them out of a shipping charge.

However, it is reasonable to expect that the ORDER TOTAL displayed in the order confirmation is that actual total price that you pay.

The actual shipping cost on the box was only $32.

I have emailed the store owner, who replied and said he is looking into it.

At the end of the day, it is only $40, but its the principal that matters.
The TOTAL is the TOTAL. Period. If there is a change in price, the customer MUST be informed. Im not going to place an order without knowing how much is going to be charged to my card.
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I just shipped a DX2.0 in its original box to Sweden. USPS International, customs, etc, $15.20, eight days to arrive.

Another one pounder to the Republic of Slovakia, same as above, under $16.00.

Your branch of the USPS might be "adding" extra charges that are not necessary.
We process all of our shipping through USPS.com which is cheaper. Depending on our location you might be saving some money, but typical rate for us is about $16.00 for one pound...but most of our packages are 3-4 pounds International ($22-36.00)

USPS Flat Rate Priority Box is $37.00.
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I agree with the general consensus here, total = the amount charged on CC.

If the total changes, the customer needs to be notified before their CC is charged.

I believe the store certainly owes you an explanation at the minimum to what has happened. In this case, if it was me, I would also demand a refund and an apology for the trouble this issue has caused.

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I agree with the general consensus here, total = the amount charged on CC.

If the total changes, the customer needs to be notified before their CC is charged.

I believe the store certainly owes you an explanation at the minimum to what has happened. In this case, if it was me, I would also demand a refund and an apology for the trouble this issue has caused.

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Thanks, its nice to know that Im not the only one who feels this way.
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Well there goes the online discount... I know most shops will give you a total with shipping included or will notify you if the shipping is outside of the norm....
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That sounds like it was shipped First Class or Priority. Express would have been much more but I believe it's the only traceable international delivery method the USPS offers.
Oh, yeah. The buyers wanted it cheap and it went priority.
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UPDATE:

Problem solved. Thanks Bob, no hard feelings I hope.
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Ok so Ive been in touch with STORMER HOBBIES, and they are sticking to their story that they should be allowed to just add on whatever charges they want, without asking the customer first.

Ive suggested that the easiest and cheapest way forward is to appy $38.99 store credit to my account, that way he will keep me as a customer, and I will buy from him again. I thought that was a fairly happy medium.

The store wants me to return all the goods, and then they will refund me the whole amount, plus the extra shipping. smells a bit fishy to me, I bet the refund would never be made, because the package would "never arrive". So at the moment I am $38.99 out of pocket, and I not going to make my position any worse. I've lodged a dispute and I'll leave it to the bank to sort out.

Personlly I am over it, its not worth bitching over. If I get a refund from the bank, great, but Im not losing any sleep over it. Its just a shame that there are people like this who end up ruining things for others.
Pete,

You were credited the $38.99 for shipping and over a week ago on the 21st, the day we responded to your question. You may want to check your credit card statement before flaming a company that is trying to help you.

Also, you said had you known there would be shipping charges you would have canceled the order. Not a problem, we are sorry you misunderstood there would be shipping and handling charges when you order from a Foreign country. Which is why we told you to simply refuse the package for a full refund. We didn't want you to keep an order you were not happy with. That's more than fair, and very reasonable. You're not happy, not a problem, refuse the order, we'll credit you back.

You were unhappy, we offered a full and complete refund. That's as good as can be done, by any company, anywhere. We offered that to you, right off the bat.

Just as a side note, It says 3 times during the ordering process that the total given on Foreign orders, "excludes shipping". And it also says it on your order confirmation in the email you get from us,

We are not a shipping company. We hand the package off to the shipping company on your behalf. And when they give us the total that they require to ship you your package, we then charge your order for the shipping and handling. We don't know it at the time the order is placed. This is the most accurate way it can be done at this time, to keep you from being overcharged in shipping by using the exact physical measurements of the package.

Order was placed at, 5:44pm December 5th.
Order shipped via Express Mail, December 6th.
Order delivered to you, in Australia, December 14th.
You contacted us for a refund on the shipping Dec 20th, at 10PM.
We gave you a complete refund on the shipping and handling the morning of Dec 21st.

You then come on this internet forum on the 28th , and flame us for not giving you a refund on shipping. Which we did a week ago, within hours of you asking.

You even accuse the whole thing of sounding "fishy", that it would never happen, AND IT HAPPENED A WEEK AGO... Get your facts straight.

You then respond to one of the posts above with:
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"...I am certainly not trying to rip anyone off. Its a shame that you are even going down that path... you really think this is a scam to make $40???..."
Yet, it's perfectly fine for you to accuse of us of that very thing in your very next post.
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"...The store wants me to return all the goods, and then they will refund me the whole amount, plus the extra shipping. smells a bit fishy to me, I bet the refund would never be made..."
Ironically, when you wrote that, we had done just that, issued you a full credit to your card a week earlier. And you're betting it would never be made... And we're not supposed to be upset by that?

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"...So at the moment I am $38.99 out of pocket...
THAT, is absolutely FALSE. Get your facts straight. We paid that for you, a week ago, check your card statement. You're not out one thin dime, although we are, having paid for your parcel to ship to Australia. And instead of commenting on how quickly we handled every part of this order for you, you have decided to flame us for helping you.

Do I sound irritated? A bit, and I apologize for that. I'm upset that we helped you in every way we could and every way that you asked for, after we did EXACTLY what you wanted, practically "instantly". And now, you say you've lodged a complaint with your card company as well because you hadn't checked to see that we did exactly as you asked.

I don't know that any company could have done a better job of getting you that package any more quickly or accurately and just a few days before Christmas to add some pressure to that part of it. We responded, "instantly" when you had any questions, and then you took up to 5-6 days to get back to us. We did everything we could, and even paid your freight on this one.

Even here, you're flaming us now, over something we handled instantly and you overlooked for the last week. That's hardly fair to us.

We've shipped hundreds of thousands of overseas packages in the last 20+ years. And not to toot our own horns here, I don't know any company could do it any faster, or any more accurately. Even this whole thread came about because you missed the 3 times we mentioned the total "excluded shipping" on your Foreign order, and we got you your package ASAP with the correct items in it. Not one piece of this scenario where you felt it necessary to flame us, was caused by us. Everything you asked us to do, was handled instantly. That's what you want in a good Mail Order company. You asked, we delivered, and we did it quickly. Then you had an issue, we also handled that for you "instantly".

And to quote you in the above post.
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"...Its just a shame that there are people like this who end up ruining things for others..."
We agree to that statement.

I suspect that you will feel I treated you rudely here, and I apologize for that. If you feel that it was such that you should never order from us again, I understand. And I apologize for that as well. But you can't come on a forum, flame a company and not expect them to give you an answer. It may or may not be the one you like, but you flamed us after we shipped you your order in record time, then paid for your shipping when you asked, and here we are.

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peteB . you expect free postage? im pretty sure you dam well knew the $84 on checkout did not include postage.

so how much was ACTUAL postage written on the package?

you flame stormer, but stormer is out of pocket $39 for your stupidity

how about u do the right thing and give stormer back at least half of it, since your so big on the "principle", or whatever you think fair postage is. be a man, but i doubt u will do it
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Stormer Hobbies has the most reason to be upset with this.

FREE WORLDWIDE SHIPPING? I don't think so.

You KNOW there is going to be a shipping charge. The question is...

How much? and....
Is it a fair charge?

Stormer should not have refunded the $39 IMO if that's what the actual shipping costs were. If it only cost them $15 and the rest was just a profit markup, then I can see a problem if there was not "handling" charges disclosed.

Shipping is expensive guys.. especially the faster methods. Large orders like a hobby shop makes can cost hundreds of dollars.
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Hi guys,

I'm going to be out of town with family for the long holiday weekend. Should be back on the 1st or 2nd. I didn't want anybody to feel we were ducking out some customer service that Pete requested. Just not going to be here for a few days.

Drop me a PM if you have any questions and I'll answer it when we get back.

I can also mention that if you ever have any kind of problem you'd like help with, Contacting the company directly will get you faster and better service than noting it on some random internet forum. I'm just glad another customer pointed us to this thread, and that we could be of service.

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