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Old 12-10-2007, 01:39 AM   #1
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Racing in circles on a VELODROME may not fancy to everyones idea of racing, but going close to 60 MPH with a Pan Car that is about 100 yards away from where you are standing...and being door to door with other cars can be very exciting if you are the guy wheeling the car.

Here's a little video teaser for those who may be interested....these cars are using the ORION 3200 LIPOS with the NEW NOVAK 17.5 Brushless Motors

VELODROME RACING VIDEO

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I'm not much of an oval fan, but that was impressive.

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I miss racing at Encino. It's a whole different driving experience.
Oh, how ya doin' Joe?
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Doin' Good NICK how bout You? You still doing the Off-Road stuff?

Your right - the VELO is something different than just a normal OVAL

It's really easy in some degrees - PULL THE TRIGGER and HOLD ON.

It's NOT always easy being 'The Fast Guy' cause you can have THE BEST MOTOR and THE BEST Battery - but if your AERO is messed up it's like dragging a parachute.

We were looking at speeds from over the years...

4 cell STOCK is now running faster than what the 6 cell Modified guys ran at the RCThunderdrome back in 1990. (This is based on Lap Times) Plus we race for a whole extra minute (5 minutes vs. 4 back then)
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As with all pancar racing - the speeds are impressive - as is talent required to control one of these rockets.

Its boring to hold WOT, forming single line racing and have your competition give you the preferred line. The only door to door racing I saw in the video was fleating when the faster car flew by on the straights or there was 4 feet between the cars.

The leader did very little maneuvering and didn't have to "race" for the win. I think I even heard someone say "Leader comin", meaning get out of the way or he will run you over.

Seen and experienced this too many times for it to be fun! Should have inverted the field! Or race against the clock!
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I'm doing pretty good, and still doing offroad.

Velodrome racing is much more focused on the car than the driver. For some people, they prefer that. It suits the tuners in rc better than the racers, I guess.
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Here's the results of the top 5 in this class. By far not the closest finish we've had..but not bad racing.

Race# 3 -- 17.5/lipo - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name id avg.mph

1 4 30 5:09.10 Larry Ruby 29 54.26

2 6 30 5:10.55 Brett Patti 7 54.01

3 5 29 5:08.38 Arnold Brittain 25 52.58

4 8 28 5:02.24 Art Hernandez 13 51.79

5 3 28 5:04.04 Brian Bond 30 51.49

There was a pretty good wreck or two from guys who were doing door to door...and didn't give it up...as far as having to RACE for the WIN - Yes the cars are sometimes as far as 20 -25 ft. separated...(At close to 80 feet per second that's .2 - .3 seconds separated which can be made or lost in a single corner drifting off the preferred line.)

Compare that to our SUMMER event with 7 of the 10 on the lead lap...separated by 6 seconds (just over 1/2 lap)

-- 10.5 - 4300 B/L - A Main --
Pos Car Laps time name
1 3 29 5:01.72 Eric Brust

2 4 29 5:03.89 Erik Steenhoven

3 9 29 5:05.38 Jason Hastings

4 6 29 5:05.41 Gary Hamilton

5 5 29 5:06.83 Jerry Purser

6 2 29 5:07.33 Scot Petitclerc

7 7 29 5:07.43 Keith Brown
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That is interesting. I am disappointed that they only use the very bottom of the track. When I heard velodrome, I thought, "wow, they'll be running 5 abreast all over that steep face, or at least there would be some semblance of actually using the higher part of the track". But, they are running around the apron for the whole thing. There is not much experimentation with lines. Kind of boring. I like TC more.

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That is interesting. I am disappointed that they only use the very bottom of the track. When I heard velodrome, I thought, "wow, they'll be running 5 abreast all over that steep face, or at least there would be some semblance of actually using the higher part of the track". But, they are running around the apron for the whole thing. There is not much experimentation with lines. Kind of boring. I like TC more.

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I think if more powerful setups like a 3.5 on 6 cells were used, wider lines like what real ovals cars take would have to be used. I think the fact that only 10.5's are used makes the racing pretty boring.
Why are slower setups used in oval?
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Probably because they are already hitting 54mph as an average speed.
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We actually run 4-5 classes, the 17.5 LIPO class just happens to be currently the MOST Popular..and the only one who had somebody video tape it.

Our MODIFIED class can run ANY Brushless Motor on 4 cell, or we introduced the LIPOs this year and the 3200 ORION pack can be used with the 10.5 NOVAK motor in the same class (They ran virtually the same speed)

We also offer what I call the "STUPID FAST MOD" class which is ANY Legal 1/10th scale Electric Motor (Brushed or Brushless) with a 2c LIPO upto 4800 mah. NOT VERY OFTEN DO WE HAVE ENOUGH BRAVE SOLES TO RUN THAT CLASS...it's Very HAIRY.

I do have a video I hope to be able to post upon the drivers permission of a test run for an insane run attempt.

The 10.5/LIPO cars btw were running a lap time of 8.8 seconds versus the 10.0 flats the 17.5 lipo cars in the video were running.

We DO try to run the very BOTTOM of the track without getting on the apron. The transition to the apron is about like __/ and really upsets the car.

The HIGH line in ALL classes cost you .2 - .3 seconds per lap...so NOBODY wants to be up there...(Believe me - we've tried it and sometimes it's OK for passing...IF you are lucky, otherwise a 50+ MPH trip to the PLYWOOD WALL destroys your car.)
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Probably because they are already hitting 54mph as an average speed.
Yes but the tracks would allow for a much higher speed, and 54mph in a circle still seems a tad boring to me. Buts thats just me.
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Here's a clip of our **ALLSTAR-SHOOTOUT** race from back in July...where we actually make it a little more exciting.... 20 cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ti2z...eature=related

or if you prefer SLAMMING Short Track action we have that too....altough this was a bit of a crashfest...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SGyug4qHmnA
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Racing in circles on a VELODROME may not fancy to everyones idea of racing, but going close to 60 MPH with a Pan Car that is about 100 yards away from where you are standing...and being door to door with other cars can be very exciting if you are the guy wheeling the car.

Here's a little video teaser for those who may be interested....these cars are using the ORION 3200 LIPOS with the NEW NOVAK 17.5 Brushless Motors

VELODROME RACING VIDEO

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cool video but i fell asleep watching it


j/k

very impressing speeds with those 17.5!! are they geared to the moon??
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54mph in a circle still seems a tad boring to me. Buts thats just me.
Exactly, Oval - like Road Course Racing is not for everyone...

I do like Road Racing - I REALLY SUCK at it - but hey....Sometimes I really suck at OVAL too. I LOVE Dirt Oval but haven't done that in YEARS...and I use to race offroad, but was never too fond of it...had a lot of fun - it just wasn't my cup of tea.

I promote a series of OVAL races that cover everything from a 200ft Carpet surface to that 820 ft. Velodrome..plus a 280 ft. high banked concrete track as well. VARIETY of ovals...makes it a challenge.

Some of the comments we hear regularly from TC guys and OFFROAD guys who have never run OVAL are things like "Wow, you actually RACE the other CAR" or "MAN it's FUN racing Side by Side for so many laps...we could never do that in OffRoad" ...stuff like that.
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