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Old 01-04-2008, 08:03 PM   #241
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What is interesting is how fast or the lack of difference in time there is between 10.5 and full mod foam.
Not really a surprise; just another example of touring cars being WAY to fast in any given class
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You are exactly true. I wonder if some of the mod cars have to much power and can't get it down to the track. From what I can tell and have seen is that most everyone is using 6 cell packs. Wasn't the Vegas race won using 5 cell in Modified foam? Would 5 cell be faster...guess we might not know.
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You are exactly true. I wonder if some of the mod cars have to much power and can't get it down to the track. From what I can tell and have seen is that most everyone is using 6 cell packs. Wasn't the Vegas race won using 5 cell in Modified foam? Would 5 cell be faster...guess we might not know.
The problem is that you can only go so fast through the turns.......the mod guys are coming in so fast that they need to slow down before they can make the turn

.....the cars.....tires.....and carpet will only allow so much entry speed. and mod exceeds that speed by alot
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Yes; Teemu won with 5-cell/brushless.

99% percent would absolutely go faster with 5 cell, but as long as Baker, Ralph, Paulie, Blackstock, etc can get at least 1 clean run with 6 cell then every will run it.

Everyone remember pancars....
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The problem is that you can only go so fast through the turns.......the mod guys are coming in so fast that they need to slow down before they can make the turn

.....the cars.....tires.....and carpet will only allow so much entry speed. and mod exceeds that speed by alot
Can't argue with that. Those with skills can handle it. Those without skills like me...just shake our heads in amazement.
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Can't argue with that. Those with skills can handle it. Those without skills like me...just shake our heads in amazement.
Well one of the points I was trying to make is even guys with made skillz are having trouble handling the power. I was including those guys into the 99%
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Can't argue with that. Those with skills can handle it. Those without skills like me...just shake our heads in amazement.
Then there are guys like me that live just for the straight....LOL


PW remembers the carpet nats a few years ago
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I drove 19t brushed and 13.5SS classes last week, for about the eighth time (mod racing officially died recently at my club). They really are too similar. Both spend the whole race, except tight corner entries, at full throttle. What's the point of having two classes like that, both of which are too fast for new guys?

I still prefer mod racing and do it whenever I have a chance, because it requires careful throttle motions throughout the track. Only on a straight do you put the throttle somewhere and leave it for a while (0.5 seconds? hehe).
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anyone have any pics??? thx ahead a time...
Starting tomorrow I will be posting picks through out the day from the track.
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PW - Totally right... I tested with 5-cells at home but the problem was that even thought I had trouble keeping the rear diff together and keeping the car drivable, 6-cell was the same or a touch faster lap time but it was super easy to make run time. 5-cell, you are much more on the limit of power/run time and if one guy does it, then we are forced to do so.... Teemu may have won the IIC with 5-cell BL you have to keep in mind that all the US drivers ran 6-cell brushed as we just weren't up to speed on the BL stuff. I know from my experience that 5-cell BL and 6-cell brushed are pretty comperable in power/run time.... 6-cell BL is just unbelievable!!!! Again, it's a matter of all of us making the proper adjustments to compensate for the power increase. I think tommorow, you will see Mod seperate itself from 10.5 a little more......

At dinner tonight, we all spoke (Bob Novak, Charlie S, Bob S (AE), Dieter and many others) about the speeds and lack of seperation in the classes due to the speeds...... Many ideas were kicked around and I know Bob Novak wants to sit down with everyone on Sunday to discuss things further to make it better...... Some thoughts are 17.5, 10.5 and 4.5 limits.... I wanted to go even further with 21.5, 17.5 and 10.5 with a Pro/F1 class (maybe 5.5 limit) where drivers can not compete in the other classes to give the races back to the racers rather than being dominated by "pro's"..... Other comments were about 5-cells, etc..... Interesting conversation and it's good to see that everyone is starting to agree more and more that there is a problem and we need to work on a solution to make it better for everyone....

Oh and yes.... I am having issues sleeping this week it seems so I figured I'd check out r/c tech....lol....
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josh...

interesting thoughts...were you out gor dinner at the boulder junction......love that place.....mmmm good.....
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I'm sure most people on this board have been following the ROAR brushless/lipo thread as well. While I agree that the power of 5 cells is where we need to go, with the restrictions of LiPo voltage it may see that we need to go back to a motor limit like Josh is saying. It would be nice to have the rules ahead of the technology instead of always trying to play catch-up. I think that's what Dawn and ROAR are trying to do now...formulate a plan that will work for years to come...not just this next season.

BTW, what's the wager that the TQ time in 13.5 foam will be fast enough to make the Mod Foam "A" main. I'd put it at about even money right now.
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I heard that Marty was kickin' it up in 13.5 rubber with some ancient Tamiya 414...can you imagine? Sixth at the Novak with a saddle pack car?
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Is that sarcasm? Because 6th after two rounds is Steve Marker Mi3.


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The 13.5 Rubber class is the largest at Novak with just over 40 entries. 13.5 Foam is surprisingly lower then I thought it would be.

Hopefully ROAR is watching this race to help make some type of decision for the future. They can see the top 13.5 Foam guys can pretty much enter the Mod class lol
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josh...

interesting thoughts...were you out gor dinner at the boulder junction......love that place.....mmmm good.....
Yea it was the beginning of the annual "Novak Race" invasion of Boulder Junction. The restaurant loves Trackside at this time of the year . 8:45 at night and the place is packed with RCer's.
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At dinner tonight, we all spoke (Bob Novak, Charlie S, Bob S (AE), Dieter and many others) about the speeds and lack of seperation in the classes due to the speeds...... Many ideas were kicked around and I know Bob Novak wants to sit down with everyone on Sunday to discuss things further to make it better...... Some thoughts are 17.5, 10.5 and 4.5 limits....
Funny, these are almost the exact thoughts debated in the ROAR BL Thread for the 2008 Rules. Practically everyone thinks that 17.5 should become the new 27T to slow everyone down, then 10.5 to join/replace 19T.

It will indeed be very interesting to see the final results of the Novak Race. I'm sure we will see 13.5 and 10.5 with almost identical laptimes. I do enjoy the lack of seperation all within one class, but from class to class is the problem.
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