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Old 12-02-2007, 04:16 PM   #61
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Ea is 100% correct.

I looked into doing my own cells and after you price everything out it is a big waste of time and money vs how much you can actually make. Keep in mind that the going rate for a top quality pack is 60-70$.

You then have to have a good outlet for all the subpar packs...ie stick pack quality and even pricing them bargain basement on ebay is a waste of time.

Then factor in how many packs you have to give away at or below cost to your "team drivers".

I am not talking 100 cells at a time...I priced it out based on 500 or more cells at a clip.

You make more money on a paper route after it is all said and done..lol.

Why do you think so many companies have smc and promatch do their cells and slap their own labels on them. It is volume in the 1000's of units to actually make it worth it.

Kind of the same problem with running a hobby shop...alot less profit in it than you think once you factor all your overhead etc.

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Old 12-02-2007, 04:35 PM   #62
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I see Express in your signature....How about you call Tag and ask him how much money he is making on matching batteries....I can tell you the same thing....NOT MUCH! There have been 4 smaller matchers shut down in the past month alone. People have this vision that RC companies make hundreds of thousand's of dollars....Simply no where near true....

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Never said he made millions but no one does this to break even as you couldn't pay your bills. If Tag couldn't support his family he would simply do this on the side or quit all together and get a new job.

I don't argue that it isn't hard to do to make a little money but then again people from these companies act like they do it out of the goodness of their heart and that isn't true either. If you don't like your job and it don't pay what you want then its time to move on to another job.
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Never said he made millions but no one does this to break even as you couldn't pay your bills. If Tag couldn't support his family he would simply do this on the side or quit all together and get a new job.

I don't argue that it isn't hard to do to make a little money but then again people from these companies act like they do it out of the goodness of their heart and that isn't true either. If you don't like your job and it don't pay what you want then its time to move on to another job.
Actually about 95% of the people in the RC business do it to support their racing or enjoyment....PERIOD. If you think Jack does this to make a lot of money you must not know him very well and what his "real" business is.

I know I started mine just to HELP cover some of my racing cost and it grew much larger than that....enough to live on but not much else...and that depends on the cost of living where you are located.

I dont see where people act like they are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts they just get tired of the same old "Battery matchers are evil...they make a fortune off of poor racers".....that's simply not true at all. If there were no "small" matchers you would be paying 100.00 a pack like back in the day when I started racing!

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Old 12-02-2007, 05:23 PM   #64
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Actually about 95% of the people in the RC business do it to support their racing or enjoyment....PERIOD. If you think Jack does this to make a lot of money you must not know him very well and what his "real" business is.

I know I started mine just to HELP cover some of my racing cost and it grew much larger than that....enough to live on but not much else...and that depends on the cost of living where you are located.

I dont see where people act like they are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts they just get tired of the same old "Battery matchers are evil...they make a fortune off of poor racers".....that's simply not true at all. If there were no "small" matchers you would be paying 100.00 a pack like back in the day when I started racing!

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I also agree 100% of what you say. I helped out matching packs at a local hobbyshop back in the real early 90's and yes it does suck for the amount of money is made from it but it still made money. When it became a non money making product we quit doing it.

Technology is changing so those that figure it out will keep on going and like any business those who don't will be closing shop. Its very cuthroat so and won't be chaning anytime soon thats for sure.

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Old 12-02-2007, 05:26 PM   #65
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All said is true and you can't argue with that. However, if you import a cell and then distribute to other matchers and sell them to the public as well I am sure you are making more money than just selling matched packs.

In the end everyone puts a price on a product that they think they can sell it for. If you price it for x-amount people will still complain.

So enough of the $$$$ talk and lets hope that this cell has stability and performance built into it rather than just performance. Then maybe we can see an attendance increase in the electric racing scene.
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All said is true and you can't argue with that. However, if you import a cell and then distribute to other matchers and sell them to the public as well I am sure you are making more money than just selling matched packs.

In the end everyone puts a price on a product that they think they can sell it for. If you price it for x-amount people will still complain.

So enough of the $$$$ talk and lets hope that this cell has stability and performance built into it rather than just performance. Then maybe we can see an attendance increase in the electric racing scene.

I will second your comments Kraig, but I think the reason this got into money talk is all the conspiracy theorists lurking here on rctech. We forget that these companies are here to make a fair profit on "rc goods." They are not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts - but they are NOT doing it to rip our financial heads off. Trust me - if the rc companies were in this to become uber rich - then they wouldn't be selling rc products.

I too looked into matching cells for myself, but with the initial startup costs, even if I outsourced someone to match my cells for me, and the potential profits (in my eyes) did not out weigh the time, effort, and money that had to be put into running a viable rc business.

I actually came to the conclusion that I could make more money painting bodies, than I could matching cells. Granted - this was going to be a part time thing, but nonetheless, it was not a huge money maker.

So to all those conspiracy theorists - get over yourselves thinking big bad RC big brother is out to take advantage of you like a drunk prom date.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:10 AM   #67
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Actually about 95% of the people in the RC business do it to support their racing or enjoyment....PERIOD. If you think Jack does this to make a lot of money you must not know him very well and what his "real" business is.

I know I started mine just to HELP cover some of my racing cost and it grew much larger than that....enough to live on but not much else...and that depends on the cost of living where you are located.

I dont see where people act like they are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts they just get tired of the same old "Battery matchers are evil...they make a fortune off of poor racers".....that's simply not true at all. If there were no "small" matchers you would be paying 100.00 a pack like back in the day when I started racing!

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Old 12-04-2007, 06:37 PM   #68
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Any simularities?





They both use the same phrase "high drain type" I've never seen that on any other manufacturer.
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lol.,.,listen the only ones making the real BIG money are the main manafacture's who have the contacts and have been doing this a long time .,.,team ass. kyosho etc... the local hobby shop ,,well i owned one did around 500k in sales a year and it basically paid for my toys and some extra, not enough to support my lifestyle,,thats why i had and still HAVE a job.unless of course your a -main hobbies..lol anyway this is supposed to be about these new cells isnt it?
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They both use the same phrase "high drain type" I've never seen that on any other manufacturer.
That's a common terminology, seen it before on many batteries outside of RC.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:21 PM   #71
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If you look at an IB cell you will see High Drain on the shrink. High Drain means the cells can handle high amp loads.
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Old 12-04-2007, 08:32 PM   #72
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Danny when would the new cells be ready
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George ~ Pro-Match/SMC should have them ready to go on December 10th along with eXpress, Team Kwik & BrOOd just to name a few.
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Cells are due in this week which means we should ship them out to distributors on the 17th.
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I stand corrected...........LOL
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