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Old 10-12-2007, 07:41 PM   #16
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... The goals of the latest changes are durability not voltage or run time.
How will we find out when they finally get it right? I had been using the EP cells and got 2 4cell IB packs with a 37% dead cell (0.0V) rate. So I'm sticking with the EPs.
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Old 10-12-2007, 07:42 PM   #17
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And although LiPo may be amazing and all, there's something vintage about Nickel based cells that I like
we call that nostalgia. that's why i still have not switched over to lipos. just like a lot of people have been saying lately, this is still just a hobby, and you are not forced to go out a buy the newest and the best. the battery of the month is usually not different enough for most people to feel anyways. "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it".
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Amen macnkitty, haha!

Plus, these are much more affordable, and I like weight on my drifter.

But yeah, if I had access to LiPo batteries and charger, then I'd definitely use it.

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Old 10-12-2007, 08:02 PM   #19
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Intellect constantly tweaks the cell chemistry from lot to lot. If you bought IB4200WC's two months ago they are not the same cells you can buy today. The goals of the latest changes are durability not voltage or run time.
How does the end user know what lot they're buying from if it's a running change?
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:15 PM   #20
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How does the end user know what lot they're buying from if it's a running change?
The cells sell quick and new batches come out all the time. Every time you buy batteries you will be getting the latest cells.

The battery matchers have learned that if you sit on inventory of matched packs you will end up with junk in very short order. This is why matchers are out of cells every now and then. They order what they need, sell out, order what they need, sell out....
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FYI, over the years we have had many cells that were this fragile or more.

Sanyo 1700SCE's
Panasonic P-170's
Panasonic Blue 3000's and Ultra Metal 3000's

The Panasonic Stock Metal 3000, and Intellect IB3800 were really tough though.
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FYI, over the years we have had many cells that were this fragile or more.

Sanyo 1700SCE's
Panasonic P-170's
Panasonic Blue 3000's and Ultra Metal 3000's

The Panasonic Stock Metal 3000, and Intellect IB3800 were really tough though.
P-170's where about the worst cell I have ever used.
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The cells sell quick and new batches come out all the time. Every time you buy batteries you will be getting the latest cells.

The battery matchers have learned that if you sit on inventory of matched packs you will end up with junk in very short order. This is why matchers are out of cells every now and then. They order what they need, sell out, order what they need, sell out....
That makes sense when buying directly from a matcher. It gets a little more tricky if you're buying from an LHS, or an online shop. Thanks for the info.
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FYI, over the years we have had many cells that were this fragile or more.

Sanyo 1700SCE's
Panasonic P-170's
Panasonic Blue 3000's and Ultra Metal 3000's

The Panasonic Stock Metal 3000, and Intellect IB3800 were really tough though.
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FYI, over the years we have had many cells that were this fragile or more.

Sanyo 1700SCE's
Panasonic P-170's
Panasonic Blue 3000's and Ultra Metal 3000's

The Panasonic Stock Metal 3000, and Intellect IB3800 were really tough though.
I've owned countless packs from Panasonic.
The Panasonic Cells built up IR and lost voltage like crazy, but we never got dead cells - packs stayed matched (all 6 cells slowly went to crap at the same time) - and nothing exploded. They were also priced too high - but no way in heck were they more fragile than the IB cells.

I think all of us racers would be happier if IB never existed, and we just used GP3700's. Talk about durable.
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GP3700's were the last hearty battery made if you ask me.
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I've owned countless packs from Panasonic.
The Panasonic Cells built up IR and lost voltage like crazy, but we never got dead cells - packs stayed matched (all 6 cells slowly went to crap at the same time) - and nothing exploded. They were also priced too high - but no way in heck were they more fragile than the IB cells.

I think all of us racers would be happier if IB never existed, and we just used GP3700's. Talk about durable.
Amen to that one. The whole industry went to IB's so the GP was a thing of the past. I never had a GP pack go south the way these IB's do. I'll wait until the cells have been out a while before I purchase any other packs. Lipo and nitro are looking better and better to me.
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Amen to that one. The whole industry went to IB's so the GP was a thing of the past. I never had a GP pack go south the way these IB's do. I'll wait until the cells have been out a while before I purchase any other packs. Lipo and nitro are looking better and better to me.
I agree Clint

Especially since I just had 2 of my ib 4200's vent over last weekend... I have my lipos coming tues or wed
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:29 AM   #29
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The explosion (hehe) in popularity of LiPo (in spite of it having lower voltage) should be a good indication that many people are ready for more stable cells with less maintenance, and longer life. The recent problems with IB's have done a lot to drive people that direction.

Also, the popularity of EP's has been on the rise, in spite of them supposedly also being at a voltage disadvantage. It seems clear most people value reliability over voltage, even amongst the hardcore racing crowd. I wonder if IB will get the memo? They're shooting themselves in the foot with these fragile cells, because there's a number of better options just waiting to take their place, and more people notice every day.
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I'm not sold on Lipos....YET!! I'll stick with NiMh for a bit longer
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