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Old 12-13-2009, 02:19 PM   #586
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Default update All is well finally

Well after another disaster Wasted weekend, car went awfull .Saturday snd Sunday were a total washeout. I had give up on the car .
A pal had a quick look at it and solved all my problems Last round of qualifying improved by several laps and romped my final

The problem was so obvious I dont know how i didnt spot it. Returned to OEM front end , Just coundnt stop car hooking on right handers and teflon washers popping out.
I bought the car ready built , it came with the Ally block upgrade. .The king pin was basically sized in the ally block on one side. replaced it with the plastic one and bingo. Car went like on rails.No popping of the teflon washers . Now just needs a bit of fine tuning and looking at some of the set up cheets .Looking forward to next meeting on Jan 2nd 2010. Hopefully meet some of you at the Birds.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:45 PM   #587
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Ok guys I'm in need of a little setup help.

Rev5L, 75'x40' track, med high bite.

.18 springs
trailing knuckles
2 deg camber
4 deg caster
middle link holes up front
blue center spring
30 wt associated oil
2mm droop
23 side springs no preload
green spooge lube
yellow rears
magenta fronts

Looking to get a bit more high speed off throttle steering.

Any recomendations would be helpful.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:12 AM   #588
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Here is a link to some of the top guys set up sheets very usefull.

http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/spee...rchantRev5.htm.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:28 AM   #589
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Ok guys I'm in need of a little setup help.

Rev5L, 75'x40' track, med high bite.

.18 springs
trailing knuckles
2 deg camber
4 deg caster
middle link holes up front
blue center spring
30 wt associated oil
2mm droop
23 side springs no preload
green spooge lube
yellow rears
magenta fronts

Looking to get a bit more high speed off throttle steering.

Any recomendations would be helpful.
Ruben,
Try less droop. That worked on my 4. I've been running Greys on that track, Yellows seem too stuck
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:45 AM   #590
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Ruben,
Try less droop. That worked on my 4. I've been running Greys on that track, Yellows seem too stuck
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unless you are running 10.5 or faster, grey rears on the lipo car are really good. you could also try a .020 front spring if you think it is collapsing too much with the .018. watch your front end droop too as the .018 wear in (I don't wanna say wear out as many people have been running the same set of .018 springs for a year now...)
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i fyou can run grays on that track, may try red spooge as well
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:29 AM   #592
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Default couple of front end questions

The Links on the Caster, Mine is set at front middle holes. What is the effect of changing to both centre holes .????
Or both outside holes.??????

Also as mentioned in my earlier post the front steering blocks alloy or plastic.The alloy ones have a grub screw which if tightened lock in too the king pin.WHY.
The plastic version dont have this.

Front camber, car was set at 1 degree negative coned front tyres. Going too 2 degrees will this have any influence on front end set up.
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The Links on the Caster, Mine is set at front middle holes. What is the effect of changing to both centre holes .????
Or both outside holes.??????

Also as mentioned in my earlier post the front steering blocks alloy or plastic.The alloy ones have a grub screw which if tightened lock in too the king pin.WHY.
The plastic version dont have this.

Front camber, car was set at 1 degree negative coned front tyres. Going too 2 degrees will this have any influence on front end set up.
disclaimer - I've never run anything but middle-middle in the front end. having a short front link produces reactive caster. short-short links should make the front end have a lot of camber gain and be aggressive. long-long links should mellow out the front end. again -- I've never run anything but middle-middle.

the plastic steering blocks are from the stock kit. I drill s 4-40 or 5-40 set screw hole into them myself. the aluminum blocks are made by team tamale -- I think they are very nice. a lot of us are running them now.

changing your front camber from -1 to -2 will increase front bite. I wouldn't care what my tires look like if the car is handling well. if anything try -1.5 camber first.

also note I often do not run equal camber on left and right. I usually run less on the outside tire in what ever corner is causing my car the most instability/flip-tendancy. I know Bruce isn't keen on this setup style but sometimes you have to work around certain track elements where you don't have the skill of Dumas or Lia to hang on to your ride.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:42 AM   #594
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Ok guys I'm in need of a little setup help.

Rev5L, 75'x40' track, med high bite.

.18 springs
trailing knuckles
2 deg camber
4 deg caster
middle link holes up front
blue center spring
30 wt associated oil
2mm droop
23 side springs no preload
green spooge lube
yellow rears
magenta fronts

Looking to get a bit more high speed off throttle steering.

Any recomendations would be helpful.
Morning Ruben!

Heres what you need to do... run red "beav jizz" in the tubes, try a red center spring, and experiment with taking each side spring and screwing it down 1/2 to 1 full turn down from where you have them now.

OR... full dope your front tires and run magenta rears as well.

see you soon...

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Old 12-15-2009, 05:45 AM   #595
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Ok guys I'm in need of a little setup help.

Rev5L, 75'x40' track, med high bite.

.18 springs
trailing knuckles
2 deg camber
4 deg caster
middle link holes up front
blue center spring
30 wt associated oil
2mm droop
23 side springs no preload
green spooge lube
yellow rears
magenta fronts

Looking to get a bit more high speed off throttle steering.

Any recomendations would be helpful.
Hey Ruben
Things I would try is .021 side springs and less droop we are running 1deg or less and maybe try 35 or 40 weight oil with gold spring too. I have been running as much as 2.5degs of camber lately too so don't be afraid to add a tick more there also.
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Old 12-15-2009, 05:57 AM   #596
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The Links on the Caster, Mine is set at front middle holes. What is the effect of changing to both centre holes .????
Or both outside holes.??????

Also as mentioned in my earlier post the front steering blocks alloy or plastic.The alloy ones have a grub screw which if tightened lock in too the king pin.WHY.
The plastic version dont have this.

Front camber, car was set at 1 degree negative coned front tyres. Going too 2 degrees will this have any influence on front end set up.
Making the links shorter makes the camber or caster change more aggressive, and Ive felt made the car a little more twitchy.

The aluminum blocks i have run were "inline" axles. I got them from my buddy McGoo but dont know who made them. Inline axles make the car much more aggressive, and are mostly run with our WGT car. The trailing (wheel axle is trailing the kingpin) delron blocks the car is much smoother, and easier to manage.

The grub screw is to eliminate any slop that may develop from smackin boards.

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Beavis, 1, good to know you are still alive. 2, Tamale makes trailing aluminum knuckles, and are quite pimp. These are probably what Mike D built on his car.

Tellan, all our knuckles are designed to lock onto the kingpin. We specifically tell people that the delrin knuckles are a tight fit, and not to ream them clean. This insures they will remain slop-free the longest. When the delrin kit versions start to wear in and develop the least little slop, I tell people to tighten the nut on the back side of the knuckle to take up the slack.

Personally, if you have the aluminum knuckles, I'd run them. If there appears to be something wrong with the handling between the two, start looking for bent parts. I have never seen a handling condition caused by the aluminum vs. delrin knuckles.
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can some one give me bruces email or his user name i need to contact him asap
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I think Bruce posts under the username SpeedMerchant - maybe we'll get confirmation from one of the team drivers...
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