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Old 09-20-2007, 08:13 PM   #1
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Hello Everyone,

I posted a few days ago with coming pics of a few new CEFX C12 updates but after days of testing with Mike, I have come to learn a lot about our C12 and how it reacts with Brushless Mod in the car. I am very happy with the performance/balance of the C12 when we run brushed motors but with brushless it just feels like something has been missing. The gyro effect and pod torque is drastically reduced with brushless, the added weight of the entire brushless system just makes the window of oppertunity for that perfect set-up is just so sensitive to keep in check.

At first, we wanted to be able to offer everyone a simple option kit for their C12 that would allow them to switch over from brushed to brushless with only a few parts. As we tested though, we found so many things that drastically improved every part of the C12's performance with the Brushless Modified set-up. Today, I tested a lot of ideas and revisions that I have thought about for a very long time and the results were dramatic.

After a long discussion about the future of our 1/12 program we decided to leave the C12 as is. It has been a top contender at every race in Stock and 19T and there is no reason to compromise what we feel is one of the best 1/12 cars on the market for brushed racing. We will continue to support the C12 Evo2 and all our stock and 19T drivers will continue on with this car through the 2007-2008 season and possibly beyond that.

For brushless racing though, the C12 has been reborn. Mike Blackstock and myself will be piloting the new CEFX 1/12 BL cars in Las Vegas @ the IIC. The PHOENIX will be the first 1/12 car 100% designed and tested specifically for brushless racing. No compromise. Mike and I will be testing the Phoenix @ CEFX this weekend. If everything goes as it has in the previous testing, production will start immediatly.

Pictures and more details coming soon!!

Vegas, here we come!!!
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Congrats Josh....If the BL car is anything like the standard one it will be awesome. See ya in a few days.

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P.S. Congrats on the new one too!
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This is the first serious competition r/c car (that I know of) that has been designed with only BL in mind. I am going to keep a very close eye on the results...

Got a BL lipo version in the works lads?
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Josh, keep rockin' those great ideas. I will be watching Vegas online!
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Sounds awesome Josh, I'll be looking forward to getting ahold of one of these.
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The Phoenix was designed for brushless SPECIFICALLY. You can make something that will work for both... It just won't be the best in both...

Please keep the BMI comments to your own threads. I know rctech has been flooded on all 1/12 threads with their news but please share the same respect that I have as well as other CEFX users and keep off the CEFX threads.
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The CNC is running right now and the first pics of the Phoenix will be up in a few hours. Here's an image off the cad file to look at.
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The CNC is running right now and the first pics of the Phoenix will be up in a few hours. Here's an image off the cad file to look at.
Very cool. What was the reason of switching the direction of the battery slots? Is the Tbar wider? Thanks!
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The reason to turn the batteries was for a few different reasons. The main reason was to decrease chassis width. The Phoenix's chassis is .200" more narrow than the C12's. Add to that that we've been pushing the electronics further forward when we run brushless so turning the batteries moves the CG of the pack slightly farther forward.

The t-bar is different but it is the same width as our current t-bars.
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Looks good Josh! Good luck to you, mike, drew, and the rest of your team at the iic!
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Dang! That looks sweet.

Kinda pullin out all the stops this year Josh! Determination factor looks fairly high with the team and design work.

See ya Sunday.

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Josh ~ Good luck with the new car I'm sure you & your team will get it dialed in pretty quick.
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:17 PM   #15
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Adam - Thanks!!

Jeremy - Thanks. You will see this weekend. How does 9.2 sound??

Kropy - What's up? Thanks.
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