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Old 10-30-2007, 04:46 AM   #46
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SpeedFreak162 - Your car is on my desk here and I'll start building it later on today!!
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:00 AM   #47
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Hey Josh, did you receive my email about the rearend and instructions on the Phoenix, also can you post yours and Mikes complete Phoenix setup? Thanks
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:46 AM   #48
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Josh,
I sent you an email looking for some info.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:19 AM   #49
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I also tried the Hot Bodies front end along with 5 and 10 degree blocks, .018 springs, .020 springs, tires...lol...
Can you elaborate on your thoughts about the hot bodies front end. How if at all was it different from the normal AE front end. Thanks.

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PS 4:45 in the am your posting? Go to bed or Zubie will be beating you this weekend!
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Old 10-30-2007, 12:34 PM   #50
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Thanks for the update Josh, and just a quick question will a
KO propo 949ICS servo fit in the car? I had bought it for my cyclone 12 but it wound up being like 1-2mm to big.

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Old 10-30-2007, 01:48 PM   #51
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Don,, it should fit fine thats what I have in mine the car is sweet can't wait to run it this weekend, Josh just keeps raising the bar in the 1/12th scale industry. Now we just need 1/10th road to come back
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:35 PM   #52
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Rog - I'll check with Mike to get his final set-up as I'm not sure what else he changed as we were both trying so much all at once.... I'll post the version of my set-up that worked...lol... Not what I ran the last qual and the main!! Just give me a few as I have some stuff we have to get finished up to ship today!!

Monti - The HB front end is interesting. I really like the lower a-arm and how stiff the plastic is as well as the looks of it. The upper a-arm is very nice as well and I like being able to use a normal tie-rod for the camber adjustment - I used a 3mm thread Kyosho titanium tie-rod so the adjustment on the camber was a little less sensitive than the coarse threads AE uses (the HB tie-road wasn't available yet). The other interesting part is that the pivot balls are steel with black coating on them. They fit super tight on the king pin to the point that instead of using the normal 15k Kyosho grease that I normally use, I used 100wt shock oil on the king pin to get the same feel. The coating seemed to be wearing off as I ran also so I'm not sure if it would reach a point and stop or continue to wear through to the steel. I have to check if out today. The only thing I really don't like is the upper a-arm mount. They tried to make it adjustable to use only 1 block that generates the 0, 5, 10 degree mounts but they missed. The mounting holes are not in the correct positions so as you rotate the arm mount, the castor is greatly effected and with the 5 or the 10 degree position you can not get enough castor in the front end. I switched to the AE upper a-arms, which have a slightly different position for the tie-rod basically giving the front end more castor. Also, the HB arm mounts are flexi so while their lower arm and upper arm are stiffer than the AE ones, the overall stiffness of the front end (flexing castor/camber) is nearly the same to the AE front end.... Overall... Same geometry, same performance with little-no castor adjustment if you use the 5 or 10 degree position. The 0 degree position is fine.... I'll probably test more with it here but I'll probably go back to the AE front end for the Champs... As far as the sleep - I crashed out yesterday at like 9:30pm...lol.. I woke up at 4:00 and just couldn't get back to sleep... So what else to do at 4am but go to work and check out R/C Tech...lol...

Don - There are 2 sets of mounting holes in both the C12 and Phoenix. One set is for Ko, Futaba, Airtronics and the other is for JR.
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Josh did jimmy herrmann run the new car in stock ? if not will he be running the new car at the indoor champs ?
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Josh did jimmy herrmann run the new car in stock ? if not will he be running the new car at the indoor champs ?
Jimmy ran the old car at the Classic and I assume he will be running it at Cleveland also since the Phoenix is based on brushless.
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Josh,
What bodies are you and Mike running?

Does the Phoenix come with a body?
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:13 PM   #56
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Cool Josh, Thanks I will be watching for the setup, Did you get my email about the rearend mounting and instructions?
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Josh check your email...
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Josh,

That was all i changed for the main was to go back to 20's instead of the 18's .. Wich i think was just a bit much for the bumpy track that is caused them to coil bind or just not be consistent..

The car was very good in the main. Wish i would not have tried so much each round . But i guess that is how we learn.. Can not wait for cleveland with what we learned...


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Old 11-01-2007, 10:29 AM   #59
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This chassis looks really good and with interest and numbers growing in the 1/12th mod class its got me drooling

Just like to know what the difference is between the Phoenix and Jap spec Phoenix.
We run on outdoor asphalt circuits so would like to know if the Phoenix would be ideal or not as i know the US is mostly carpet racing.
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Old 11-01-2007, 05:24 PM   #60
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Mike, sent you a pm hope you can help me.
Thanks Roger T
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