Lipo vs Nimh Racing and Minimum Weight
#31
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So now the LiPo racers are whining because their cars are all of a sudden at a DISADVANTAGE to the NiMH cars?
I thought you lot all though LiPo was the second coming?
Sorry, but we have a weight limit of 1500gms for TC's with a nominal 7.2V power supply. LiPo is a nominal 7.4V so if anything you should have an advantage running at the same weight.
Or perhaps it is time for LiPO runners to admit that NiMH are still the BETTER power source for electric racers? A good pack of IB or EP at 1500gms will beat all the LiPo packs on the market right now at the same weight.
I thought you lot all though LiPo was the second coming?
Sorry, but we have a weight limit of 1500gms for TC's with a nominal 7.2V power supply. LiPo is a nominal 7.4V so if anything you should have an advantage running at the same weight.
Or perhaps it is time for LiPO runners to admit that NiMH are still the BETTER power source for electric racers? A good pack of IB or EP at 1500gms will beat all the LiPo packs on the market right now at the same weight.
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#33
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My dear friend, this post proves you know nothing about how battery voltage actually works. So perhaps you should stop "adding" to the debate and starting dumbass threads.
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
I haven't seen any whining here myself. The only reason the advantage that NiMH has was brought up was to disprove a common argument against running lipo in the same class.
So what's YOUR issue against running lipo with NiMH?
#35
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So now the LiPo racers are whining because their cars are all of a sudden at a DISADVANTAGE to the NiMH cars?
I thought you lot all though LiPo was the second coming?
Sorry, but we have a weight limit of 1500gms for TC's with a nominal 7.2V power supply. LiPo is a nominal 7.4V so if anything you should have an advantage running at the same weight.
Or perhaps it is time for LiPO runners to admit that NiMH are still the BETTER power source for electric racers? A good pack of IB or EP at 1500gms will beat all the LiPo packs on the market right now at the same weight.
I thought you lot all though LiPo was the second coming?
Sorry, but we have a weight limit of 1500gms for TC's with a nominal 7.2V power supply. LiPo is a nominal 7.4V so if anything you should have an advantage running at the same weight.
Or perhaps it is time for LiPO runners to admit that NiMH are still the BETTER power source for electric racers? A good pack of IB or EP at 1500gms will beat all the LiPo packs on the market right now at the same weight.
#36
Weight shouldn't be the issue. Every racer in every class of "real racing" by that I mean 1:1 cars. (not that RC isn't real) They all have weight limits. This is where you have to put a little thought into your car. Don't just strap the weight into the car wherever you have open space. Experiment with putting the weight where you can use it. Adding weight can actually improve traction and handling if put in the right place.
#37
None whatsoever. If you have a lipo and the lead to run at the same weight as me I will take anyone on and have no complaints!
However it makes me laugh when all the LiPo fanboys get a shock and realise that the new chemistry is not the answer to everything.
Just like all things in racing LiPo (if accepted into mainstream racing, personally I'm not sure it will ever be the racers cell of choice) will be just the same as NiMH, NiCd has been. You will have the cell of the month, premium matched cells, super-tech charging methods, claim and counter claim, and a little bit of black magic and superstition thrown in for good measure too!
LiPo may be more durable now. However as the contruction is pushed to get more performance I guarantee it becomes less durable.
I don't think it is safer, but I also don't think it is unsafe either if used correctly.
So lets have both types of cells in the hobby but lets stop the whining about whether the rules are fair - a weight limit is a weight limit - and lets stop the crazy claims about whether one is better than the other - different strokes for different folks.
Personally speaking I doubt there will ever be a LiPo in my battery box. But perhaps time will prove me wrong, if so I'll take it on the chin like a man!
However it makes me laugh when all the LiPo fanboys get a shock and realise that the new chemistry is not the answer to everything.
Just like all things in racing LiPo (if accepted into mainstream racing, personally I'm not sure it will ever be the racers cell of choice) will be just the same as NiMH, NiCd has been. You will have the cell of the month, premium matched cells, super-tech charging methods, claim and counter claim, and a little bit of black magic and superstition thrown in for good measure too!
LiPo may be more durable now. However as the contruction is pushed to get more performance I guarantee it becomes less durable.
I don't think it is safer, but I also don't think it is unsafe either if used correctly.
So lets have both types of cells in the hobby but lets stop the whining about whether the rules are fair - a weight limit is a weight limit - and lets stop the crazy claims about whether one is better than the other - different strokes for different folks.
Personally speaking I doubt there will ever be a LiPo in my battery box. But perhaps time will prove me wrong, if so I'll take it on the chin like a man!
#38
I dont see a topic here really.
lf it wasnt 1500 with lipo then they would have their own class... thus splitting the racers even more.
Is that such a good idea? At least the current reg's are sensible and still trying to keep the groups in order.
You already have stock/19 and mod classes, and even brushless in some places no doubt. So.... a lipo class too... Nah, I dont think thats wise, we've diluted the racing enough as it is...
What other suggestions are there apart from being an equal weight to the other cars or making a seperate class????
Just trying to be logical.
lf it wasnt 1500 with lipo then they would have their own class... thus splitting the racers even more.
Is that such a good idea? At least the current reg's are sensible and still trying to keep the groups in order.
You already have stock/19 and mod classes, and even brushless in some places no doubt. So.... a lipo class too... Nah, I dont think thats wise, we've diluted the racing enough as it is...
What other suggestions are there apart from being an equal weight to the other cars or making a seperate class????
Just trying to be logical.
#39
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sosidge you also probably think rc car racing is a sport and not a hobby. Ive found those willing to accept lipos are the ones having fun at the track and view it as a hobby. Nothing wrong with your view of nimh (and racing if Im correct). If you what to be THAT guy at the track.
I like that lipo is slower. It makes nimh fanboys like sosidge fine with their use.
I like that lipo is slower. It makes nimh fanboys like sosidge fine with their use.
#40
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It's great that you would not argue against running with lipo cars. Feel free to mock us for having a voltage disadvantage and we'll feel free to mock you over your battery slaving - deal?
#41
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My dear friend, this post proves you know nothing about how battery voltage actually works. So perhaps you should stop "adding" to the debate and starting dumbass threads.
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
#42
Like I stated before...5 cell nimh cars and 4 cell nimh cars have reveised their weight limit rules accordingly to compensate for the weight drop and balance out the car's performance and lower power source and weight. All I'm arguing is that maybe the same should be done for those running lipo packs alongside those running 6 cell or 5 cell nimh packs...
We already know that 5 cell nimh cars at their weight limit are faster per lap and run cooler more efficient than 6 cell nimh cars at their 1525g weight limit...isnt that one the main ideas? less power less weight, better electronics performance and better car parts durability?
All i'm saying is that we can drop the weight limit to 1450g across the board...that would help everyone. At that weight,, its similar for 5 cell nimh and lipo performance wise, and will also slow down the 6 cell nimh cars a bit so the lipo and 5 cells can keep up....suggestions welcome...
Last edited by yyhayyim; 09-19-2007 at 06:57 AM.
#43
My dear friend, this post proves you know nothing about how battery voltage actually works. So perhaps you should stop "adding" to the debate and starting dumbass threads.
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
If you can find me a 6-cell pack that will give 9.6V UNDER RACING LOADS I will pay you 1 MILLION DOLLARS :dr evil:
#44
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I asked this same questions some weeks ago. One of the benefits of lipos is the fact that they are ligher, but to add the weights, counters this benefit. I too, run lipo and to add weights is a pain, but as dictated to me (sometime not in the nicest way) "rules are there to even the playing field".......
#45
I ran our Florida State race this past weekend. I ran a brushless/lipo combo. We allowed lipos for the first time and we all agreeded to make weight based on current weight rules. I had no problems adding the 2 1/2 sticks of lead weight Do I think its fair? Yes...adding the weight allowed me to balance the car by moving the weight forward/aft on the lipo side.