SMC Lipos 7.4 5000mah
09-27-2007, 08:56 AM
#452
The only "proof" i've seen offered that supposedly makes these packs better is the higher c rating, but most of us already know that even a 20c pack is overkill for most 1:10 applications.
It's truly sad to see people hawking lipos in the same way they hawk nickel batts even though lipo and NIMH are two completely different animals. That might work if we "morons" didn't know more about lipo than some of the companies currently selling them. Instead of bashing Orion and trying to sell lipo in the same way as NIMH, they should educate themselves about lipo and then educate the general public about their pack.
09-27-2007, 09:19 AM
#453
Your short amount of time in this hobby shows right here. SMC has PROVEN time and time again that they are at the top of thieir game when it comes to performance. Instead of spouting off what you "think" you know, why don't you just sit back, learn something and THEN come to a conclusion. If Danny says his battery will perform BETTER than that of the competition it is because it has been TESTED by drivers better than you and me. You don't really think he would come out here and just say this stuff for fun do you? You are entitled to your opinions but without any real experience behind them you are just blowing hot air.
FYI, SMC is one of the big boys....
FYI, SMC is one of the big boys....
Glad you think you know it all, but YOU DONT, so stay off my back.
09-27-2007, 09:34 AM
#454
Tech Master
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Um, advil, you might want to cool your jets. I have used their products for years. I am strictly going off of his tone, not on the strength of what is better. Funny, when I came at folks overtly arrogant (nasty), I was met with nasty feedback and got strikes from the mods. I know SMC is one of the big boys, maybe you might want to look back a few posts. Short amount of time in the hobby? Maybe i havent been in it for 20 years like some, but having been doing this for upwards of 9 and having started in electric going to nitro and goinig full circle back to electric because of lipo, I know enough. I am not dissing them, I am making reference to how they are pitting their LIPOS against Orions. Not the quality of their lipos, but you know what, why am explaining myself?!?!? Glad you think you know it all, but YOU DONT, so stay off my back.
Glad you think you know it all, but YOU DONT, so stay off my back.Pot meet kettle.
09-27-2007, 09:36 AM
#455
The only reason why I bring up Orion is because the couple of guys who seems to want to say our packs are to expensive or don't have a hard case as the reason why we suck keep comparing it to the Orion pack.
My last post was in direct reflection to the post of Turbo Joe who seems to be promoting the lower price of the Orion pack and that ours is 200mAH extra.
Higher C rate equals to better performance and better life expectancy out of the pack.
I'm glad to hear that some racers aren't concerned about on track performance with Lipos as it seems that racers buying sub-c do care about it as I get emails all the time asking to buy the highest voltage packs with the lowest IR. I really doubt when Lipos become legal in major races that racers will not care about performance.
The size of our pack is 23mm x 44mm x 130mm. We have some really good ideas for a hard case and we will do what is needed to make it fit in Sedan.
My last post was in direct reflection to the post of Turbo Joe who seems to be promoting the lower price of the Orion pack and that ours is 200mAH extra.
Higher C rate equals to better performance and better life expectancy out of the pack.
I'm glad to hear that some racers aren't concerned about on track performance with Lipos as it seems that racers buying sub-c do care about it as I get emails all the time asking to buy the highest voltage packs with the lowest IR. I really doubt when Lipos become legal in major races that racers will not care about performance.
The size of our pack is 23mm x 44mm x 130mm. We have some really good ideas for a hard case and we will do what is needed to make it fit in Sedan.
09-27-2007, 09:41 AM
#456
Hate to bust your bubble, I never professed to be a know it all. I am simply asking dude questions. And in reference to re-reading posts thats POSTS -PLURAL, you telling me about SMC being the big boys is a matter of redundancy. Had you read any of my previous posts, you would have clearly read that I have used their products and have high hopes for their stuff in this lipo world. The SMC IB 3800 was my pack of choice before I went lipo. I give them props for being a sub c manufacturer that has gone into the lipo fray. As for their pricing and soft casing, I spoke on it like EVERYONE ELSE on this forum. Just because you know other people better, dont single me out because of my past arguementive nature. Its people like you singling me out that prompts things to get out of hand. Danny and jack have spoken on their on behalf quite well. On that note, from here on out, please dont address me any further. Thank you.
09-27-2007, 09:44 AM
#457
Insurance Companies may decide the issue
The more common LIPOs become the more probable a serious injury accident at a race is. Even if LIPOs were twice as safe as NIMH eventually someone will do something stupid or a series of unfortunate coincidences will occur. Some fool will accidentally try charging a lipo with NIMH charger with a bottle of nitro fuel near bye or someones kid will be trying to help his daddy turn marshal and a car with a lipo will get t-boned at high speed and a cell ruptures, the kid picks up the damaged car and gets injured.
The problem for the person or organization getting sued is that LIPOs have a reputation. Whether that reputation is fair or not is immaterial, the lawyers know a jury will have heard of all the laptop battery recalls and will have a long list of "lipo horror stories" to work with.
After the first well publicized high dollar product liability award the insurance companies are going to make it prohibitively expensive for a tracks or programs to get insurance if they allow LIPO batteries. I hope not, but I fear this is just what will happen.
I am not in the insurance or the RC track business so I could be mistaken.
The problem for the person or organization getting sued is that LIPOs have a reputation. Whether that reputation is fair or not is immaterial, the lawyers know a jury will have heard of all the laptop battery recalls and will have a long list of "lipo horror stories" to work with.
After the first well publicized high dollar product liability award the insurance companies are going to make it prohibitively expensive for a tracks or programs to get insurance if they allow LIPO batteries. I hope not, but I fear this is just what will happen.
I am not in the insurance or the RC track business so I could be mistaken.
09-27-2007, 09:55 AM
#458
Tech Master
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Hate to bust your bubble, I never professed to be a know it all. I am simply asking dude questions. And in reference to re-reading posts thats POSTS -PLURAL, you telling me about SMC being the big boys is a matter of redundancy. Had you read any of my previous posts, you would have clearly read that I have used their products and have high hopes for their stuff in this lipo world. The SMC IB 3800 was my pack of choice before I went lipo. I give them props for being a sub c manufacturer that has gone into the lipo fray. As for their pricing and soft casing, I spoke on it like EVERYONE ELSE on this forum. Just because you know other people better, dont single me out because of my past arguementive nature. Its people like you singling me out that prompts things to get out of hand. Danny and jack have spoken on their on behalf quite well. On that note, from here on out, please dont address me any further. Thank you.
I don't think this discussion has gotten out of hand either, no one has been theatened or cussed at. If you feel I am picking on you I apologise but I must tell you that this is just not the case.
oh well....
09-27-2007, 10:04 AM
#459
I don't feel that I have "singled" you out. I have objections to statements like : "Again, pitting yours against Orion out the gate is like running before you can walk. Take babysteps, develop a following then go up against the big boys." or "Remember this, I dont run Orions stuff, I run Maxamps. " becuase it seems very condesending and like you're trying to start something without any actual experience to have formed an opinion.
I don't think this discussion has gotten out of hand either, no one has been theatened or cussed at. If you feel I am picking on you I apologise but I must tell you that this is just not the case.
oh well....
I don't think this discussion has gotten out of hand either, no one has been theatened or cussed at. If you feel I am picking on you I apologise but I must tell you that this is just not the case.
oh well....
Again, I compliment them on being a CELL manufacturer that has gone lipo, this would increases the chance at lipos going mainstream. If the dimensions were slightly smaller, i would have gotten one for my Pro3. Money isnt an object for me, but for some, it may very well be. Dare I speaketh against the almighty Advil.....please man, let it go.
09-27-2007, 10:20 AM
#461
), I aint going there. Folks know how I get down in the club. I am trying to turn over a new leaf BUT as fate would have it, some people just cant let a conversation stay as such. Danny and Jack have dealt with all of the comments, both directly and indirectly. Danny is more of the assertive one and I appreciate how he defends his products. Advil on the other hand, well........
09-27-2007, 10:21 AM
#462
Intellect has improved the selfdischarge of there cells and we have been shipping these out for the last few months. We still see some cells that will selfshort as this is a by product of the low IR and high average voltage. Intellect is comitted to improve there cell while keeping the performance level as high as possible.
09-27-2007, 10:24 AM
#463
Tech Master
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Ok, Advil, I'll take the bait. Where in this thread, out of everyone who has asked a number of questions to SMC about there lipos have you addressed them as arrogant or know it alls? Several folks have made direct comments about the soft casing, lack of manufacturer info, pricing, them pitting their packs directly to Orions....you may have tinkled a question here or there, but to say one is "inexperienced" because you say so, is a bit on the pompous tip. If there packs were a little less expensive, the parallels (comparisons) to Orions would have been a moot point. The fact that theirs is in the same price bracket with no internal fuse, with a soft case and secrecy about manufactures has many on this thread Again, I compliment them on being a CELL manufacturer that has gone lipo, this would increases the chance at lipos going mainstream. If the dimensions were slightly smaller, i would have gotten one for my Pro3. Money isnt an object for me, but for some, it may very well be. Dare I speaketh against the almighty Advil.....please man, let it go.
Again, I compliment them on being a CELL manufacturer that has gone lipo, this would increases the chance at lipos going mainstream. If the dimensions were slightly smaller, i would have gotten one for my Pro3. Money isnt an object for me, but for some, it may very well be. Dare I speaketh against the almighty Advil.....please man, let it go.Price goes with performance, the old adage about speed costs money is very true.
As far as dareth bla, bla, bla, the almighty Advil....give it a rest. To me this is no different that a bench racing session at the track. Seems like you are the one taking this way to seriously. jeez....
09-27-2007, 10:27 AM
#465
That probably what they want. They want to keep there cash flow constant by selling us overpriced polymer batteries. After all, you would only need two packs per vehicle.
? I'd rather stick to the IB4200 until prices have dropped.