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Old 08-13-2011, 06:27 AM
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I raced my TRF416X last night (or tried!)
I did about 4 turns and melted one of the front outdrives!

Then a friend lent me his complete spool set-up, and within 5 turns I melted BOTH outdrives!!!!!!!

What did I do wrong??????

I ran that car before without any problems, the only thing I did was adjust the front belt (to loosen it up).

Thanks for your help.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Starteur View Post
I raced my TRF416X last night (or tried!)
I did about 4 turns and melted one of the front outdrives!

Then a friend lent me his complete spool set-up, and within 5 turns I melted BOTH outdrives!!!!!!!

What did I do wrong??????

I ran that car before without any problems, the only thing I did was adjust the front belt (to loosen it up).

Thanks for your help.
Sounds like you have your bearing holders in upside down. Is the dot on the holder at the top or bottom. Is the alum coupler damaged aswell???
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Old 08-13-2011, 02:59 PM
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I have just bought a 416we and i was hoping someone could help me understand what changes affect different aspects of the cars handling

For example, i sort of understand that shocks affect weight transfer front to rear (or not?)spring rates, oil, piston number?, what does a sway bar do? how does it affect the cars handling? what about inboard toe in as opposed to outboard toe in? and the big one that i cant get my head around is roll centre - how changing the inner camber link changes the roll centre and how it affects handling? what about the outer camber link? i also read back a few pages about guys shimming the bulkheads? please help me, i really want to get this car on rails but my limited knowledge is stopping me from competing outside club level

We dont have a fulltime track, its setup every raceday on a carpark

any help would be greatly appreciated

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Old 08-13-2011, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by junn View Post
Hey guys

I have just bought a 416we and i was hoping someone could help me understand what changes affect different aspects of the cars handling

For example, i sort of understand that shocks affect weight transfer front to rear (or not?)spring rates, oil, piston number?, what does a sway bar do? how does it affect the cars handling? what about inboard toe in as opposed to outboard toe in? and the big one that i cant get my head around is roll centre - how changing the inner camber link changes the roll centre and how it affects handling? what about the outer camber link? i also read back a few pages about guys shimming the bulkheads? please help me, i really want to get this car on rails but my limited knowledge is stopping me from competing outside club level

We dont have a fulltime track, its setup every raceday on a carpark

any help would be greatly appreciated

thanks
if u have an iphone/ipad/itouch you can pick up the app "Setup Workbench" written by Martin Crisp. if you don't then i recommend that you pick up his book from xxxmain Touring Car Chassis Setup Guide. it'll have all the info you need.
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Old 08-15-2011, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by barts71m View Post
Sounds like you have your bearing holders in upside down. Is the dot on the holder at the top or bottom. Is the alum coupler damaged aswell???
You were right on the dot, I put my bearings hoders upside down, and the couplers are junk

Thanks for your help
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Starteur View Post
You were right on the dot, I put my bearings hoders upside down, and the couplers are junk

Thanks for your help
Been there, first time I ran my 416 did the exact same thing.
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Old 08-19-2011, 03:46 AM
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Put it back on track last night, a blast to drive as usual!!!

Everything A OK.

Thank you for your help.

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Old 08-24-2011, 04:28 AM
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Default gear diff V2 stupid tip

this will be a stupid tip just in case any of you guys are curious whether the gear diff can withstand your torture tests.

anybody has experienced melting a gear diff? i was trying the plastic cross axle in my gear diff v2 (breaking it in) it melted part of the casing and fused the small gears and axle. replaced it now and using the metal axles. i guess these parts are not meant to be spun for 30 seconds while holding the other wheel axle for diff action. now i cant get the o-rings out. but the diff still works though (in bench testing - hopefully in a race too)
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:05 AM
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Hey guys just bought a use 416x and I wanted to know what is the setup for asphalt outdoor track. Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-25-2011, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR Graphite View Post
Hey guys just bought a use 416x and I wanted to know what is the setup for asphalt outdoor track. Thanks in advance.
Steve: Welcome! You got yourself a mighty nice car. Mine is a 416WE that I run in the GT10 class. I wont chime on on set up because Im not that good at it.

One thing you should pick up the Spec R gear diff, or Tamiya's own gear diff. It will help out a lot for Charlies races.
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Originally Posted by Raman View Post
Steve: Welcome! You got yourself a mighty nice car. Mine is a 416WE that I run in the GT10 class. I wont chime on on set up because Im not that good at it.

One thing you should pick up the Spec R gear diff, or Tamiya's own gear diff. It will help out a lot for Charlies races.
Thanks for the info Raman I am going to be racing the GT10 class. That no boost 17.5 right?
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Originally Posted by SNR Graphite View Post
Thanks for the info Raman I am going to be racing the GT10 class. That no boost 17.5 right?
Exactly. You'll need the following gearing: either 82/48, 86/50, for 3.5 fdr.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:51 PM
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HI,

I have a trf416we with 1.71 cs ratio, 48 degree parallel steering mod and Front 1-Way and centre one way. Want to know what the things i need to change to make it for touring as car is using for drifting..

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Start with the stock diff and belt pulleys and a stock steering system(if it is changed).
That will do the trick.

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Originally Posted by wrxmacorona View Post
HI,

I have a trf416we with 1.71 cs ratio, 48 degree parallel steering mod and Front 1-Way and centre one way. Want to know what the things i need to change to make it for touring as car is using for drifting..

cheers
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro10noob View Post
Start with the stock diff and belt pulleys and a stock steering system(if it is changed).
That will do the trick.

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Hmmm will it cost alot to convert back?
the steering is Chassis hopped-up with Active Hobby 55 degrees universal joints and parallel steering mod
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