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Old 01-31-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PitNamedGordie
I assume you are using a droop gauge? If you are, where are you measuring your droop?
at the end of the arms, underneath the hubs shaft. right?
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by guinnes.s
at the end of the arms, underneath the hubs shaft. right?
Yep that's right. You should be able to set your droop to 6.5 with no problem. Can you explain the steps on how you are trying to set droop? Pictures always help...
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Old 01-31-2011, 11:38 AM
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Hi

Anybody out there using 3R gear diff in their 416 ?

I try to use this, but my car get loose in the rear when I does guickly take off throttle and turn, it will spin around. I drive in a medium grip carpet, using Sorex 28 tires. I did try the old ball diff, and yes the car handles much better.......

I use 1000 xray oil in my 3R diff, filling it to the crossbar inside.

Anyone have any idea why my car slips in the rear with the gear diff ? and what should I do to get the 3R gear diff right ?

I tought I did came to heaven now, not needed to build ball diffs anymoore
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PitNamedGordie
Yep that's right. You should be able to set your droop to 6.5 with no problem. Can you explain the steps on how you are trying to set droop? Pictures always help...
thats a photo of the droop.
the 2 blocks are at each end of the car and i use the droop gouge at the end of the arm,at moment is at 6mm.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14415603/IMAG0015.jpg
is this right?
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Originally Posted by Tor Erik
Hi

Anybody out there using 3R gear diff in their 416 ?

I try to use this, but my car get loose in the rear when I does guickly take off throttle and turn, it will spin around. I drive in a medium grip carpet, using Sorex 28 tires. I did try the old ball diff, and yes the car handles much better.......

I use 1000 xray oil in my 3R diff, filling it to the crossbar inside.

Anyone have any idea why my car slips in the rear with the gear diff ? and what should I do to get the 3R gear diff right ?

I tought I did came to heaven now, not needed to build ball diffs anymoore
Im using it in the rear of my car on carpet and I dont have any issues. Im using 2K oil in it.

Try a little more rear droop to see if this helps with the issue....I had to add a little more to my car when I went from the ball diff to the Gear diff. You might have too thin of oil so it will unload faster making it slip....more rear droop will help this if this is whats going on.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by guinnes.s
thats a photo of the droop.
the 2 blocks are at each end of the car and i use the droop gouge at the end of the arm,at moment is at 6mm.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14415603/IMAG0015.jpg
is this right?
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That's the way I do it. Only difference is I detach the springs and turnbuckels, so there is nothing acting on it.
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by guinnes.s
need some explanations regarding droop.
i m looking at this setup http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/tami...buryNOWRd3.pdfand if i have 6.5mm on the front of droop no way i can get 5mm on the ride height,the max i can go is 3.5mm.
what mi missing??
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I think the 6.5mm droop on the set up sheet is 1.5mm over 5mm ride height. Its common for people to list the droop this way.

Here is how you set it to this droop setting.

Get your car to 5mm right height...with tires and everything else so its RTR.
Then lift up on the front of the car until you can slide your ride height gauge under it at 6.5 then set the droop screws to where they just touch the chassis at this setting.
You will be at 6.5mm of droop...or 1.5mm over 5mm ride height.

Measuring it with the blocks under the chassis might not get you the same results depending on what blocks and gauge you have.
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Originally Posted by Foxxrocket
That's the way I do it. Only difference is I detach the springs and turnbuckels, so there is nothing acting on it.
if i go more then 6mm cant get the 5mm ride hight and the front is solid no shocks play upward .
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Old 02-01-2011, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin K
I think the 6.5mm droop on the set up sheet is 1.5mm over 5mm ride height. Its common for people to list the droop this way.

Here is how you set it to this droop setting.

Get your car to 5mm right height...with tires and everything else so its RTR.
Then lift up on the front of the car until you can slide your ride height gauge under it at 6.5 then set the droop screws to where they just touch the chassis at this setting.
You will be at 6.5mm of droop...or 1.5mm over 5mm ride height.

Measuring it with the blocks under the chassis might not get you the same results depending on what blocks and gauge you have.
the only part i dont get is "then set the droop screws to where they just touch the chassis at this setting.do you mean to just set the droop screws until tyres lift from the board?????
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Originally Posted by guinnes.s
the only part i dont get is "then set the droop screws to where they just touch the chassis at this setting.do you mean to just set the droop screws until tyres lift from the board?????
Yes....with the ride height gauge under the chassis at 6.5mm....this will give you 6.5mm of droop for the size tires you have.
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Originally Posted by guinnes.s
if i go more then 6mm cant get the 5mm ride hight and the front is solid no shocks play upward .
you need to unwind the bottom the shocks a few turns. make the shock about 62mm overall length.

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Hey Yall,

Looking for a setup that would be similar in handling to the stock 417 setup...

Any suggestions would be great!
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Thx Kevin K for help with gear diff problems !!! I will test it out this weekend.



BTW, how much rear droop do you use ?
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Old 02-03-2011, 11:51 AM
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2.0 to 2.5mm over ride height....less droop for more corner exit steering.
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Old 02-04-2011, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Tor Erik
Hi

Anybody out there using 3R gear diff in their 416 ?

I try to use this, but my car get loose in the rear when I does guickly take off throttle and turn, it will spin around. I drive in a medium grip carpet, using Sorex 28 tires. I did try the old ball diff, and yes the car handles much better.......

I use 1000 xray oil in my 3R diff, filling it to the crossbar inside.

Anyone have any idea why my car slips in the rear with the gear diff ? and what should I do to get the 3R gear diff right ?

I tought I did came to heaven now, not needed to build ball diffs anymoore
You need thicker oil on carpet, try 2-3k cst oil,
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