quantum

what is the final word on the suspension blocks - are they the same on the 416 as they are on the 415?

after looking at post #479 on pg 16, they look the same measurements, but the discussion from owners was inconclusive...

JimmyMac

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Same dimensions, but bulked up a bit around the screw holes. Plus made so that you could flip all the blocks upside down with a 3mm shim. Before you could not do that with an A block. Now you can. Anyways, the 415 blocks work on the 416 no problem.

TryHard

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Previously if you wanted to use B, C, or X blocks on the front rear mount (upside down), you would need to flatten off the block a little to provide a solid mounting, and then use 5mm worth of shims.

The new blocks simply appear to be a revision, with the spacings on the top similar to thoose first seen on the XA, XB, XC, and XD blocks.

HiH
Ed

5tylez

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Suspension arm question:

what are the benefits of using short arms with longer blocks, over long arms with shorter blocks on a 416?
I want to try short arms for indoor carpet.

TryHard

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Just mount the arms on the car anyway, thats what everyone else does.
They seem to help the car react better, and certainly seem faster indoors.

HiH
Ed

5tylez

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Thanks Ed,

do you have a setup I can start with using the short arms?

quantum

jimmymac/tryhard - thanks for the clarification on the blocks. good news!



i know that is the case for foam tires... rubber tires too?

redbones

I used
Front: FF: C FR: B
Rear: RF: X RR: E

This will give you 2.5 toe-in at the rear. You can use XA instead if you need 3 degrees. This setup keeps the track width about the same, so you won't have to add spacers for the axel hubs, nor have issues with the dog bone protector rubbing the diff nut. (Maybe with the XA block, you migth have to shave about 0.5 mm though)

Don't forget to readjust your turnbuckles too.

TryHard

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I only race rubbers... so yes

Have a look for coreys setup on here somewhere, or have a look at this one.

alan1467

Anyone know what suspension blocks fit the frt/rear and rear/frt extra holes that are in the chassis? Tried some Cyclone ones and the holes on the chassis are about 2mm wider than the blocks

syndr0me

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http://events.redrc.net/2008/01/gros...ce-in-denmark/

Jilles TQ's the first round of DHI with the 416. That's a heck of a start.

Dang, he's already schooling the boys. I want to try Jilles setup, too! :-)

TryHard

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Thoose extra holes are effectively redundant... they were ment for a BD style mounting system (2 seperate mounts, held in with two screws). Tamiya never went that way with the blocks, so not sure why they are there.

HiH
Ed

Cruisaaja

Hey Ed

Have you try D D front and XA 1E rear with short arms yet?

TryHard

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Not yet, but may do tomorrow.
Having a quick look at the pictures, seems like the team are running more shims under the rear links, both in and out. Looks like 3mm underneath both.

Seems White/Blue springs AND roll bars are the ticket too.. can't find any pictures with detailing the suspension blocks yet.

Regards
Ed

fadzli

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anyone has this kind of 416 installation? 6 battery, 23t stock tamiya motor, m11 rx, keyence esc. only battery on the right side. i want to ask if need to add more balancing weight on any side. i dont have tool to weigh or balance my 416. tq.