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Old 03-08-2010, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by method699 View Post
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for those who have tried the 416X, did they notice some real differences from the WE version? and just wondering why the tam boys still using the WE at the ETS races...the way the diff's been moved back, does that make the car too much sticky on the rear end?
i've seen some pictures with some differents ways of weights positions..under the battery, on the side, more forward..i'm very lost with all those things...need help..
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don't know, but I'm always fighting for more rear grip on my X. car has the tendency to spin out everywhere and can't figure it out. The WE was more stable imo.
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Old 03-08-2010, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by method699 View Post
hello,
for those who have tried the 416X, did they notice some real differences from the WE version? and just wondering why the tam boys still using the WE at the ETS races...the way the diff's been moved back, does that make the car too much sticky on the rear end?
i've seen some pictures with some differents ways of weights positions..under the battery, on the side, more forward..i'm very lost with all those things...need help..
thanks

On lower bite traction I had not really noticed a big difference with almost the exact same setup on both cars, but as traction comes up I start to feel differences between the two designs. Personally I have always felt like the WE has a lot of front bite by design. I like the X better for the way that I drive and setup cars. I am going to be converting my WE to an X chassis so that I can get the benefit from the battery position. I think the diffs being moved back on the X helps, but in my head the battery position will make the biggest difference. Both cars are great, but they really got it right on the X which is very similar to the original 416 design.

Hope this helps...
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don't know, but I'm always fighting for more rear grip on my X. car has the tendency to spin out everywhere and can't figure it out. The WE was more stable imo.
what surface and what tires?
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:56 PM
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what surface and what tires?
Sorex 36, on asphalt with aggregate mix coat, no spraying. Using standard Groskamp setup. using HPI silver all around, but maybe I can use something stiffer? Gold or Pink perhaps? I can hear the tires scrubbing like its skipping during a turn.

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Old 03-08-2010, 07:29 PM
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don't know, but I'm always fighting for more rear grip on my X. car has the tendency to spin out everywhere and can't figure it out. The WE was more stable imo.
Just started running the X and I have the same problem. It spins out or it pushes for the first minute. I will try some different setups this weekend
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by redbones View Post
Sorex 36, on asphalt with aggregate mix coat, no spraying. Using standard Groskamp setup. using HPI silver all around, but maybe I can use something stiffer? Gold or Pink perhaps? I can hear the tires scrubbing like its skipping during a turn.
Go blues on the rear. harder springs will make the tyres scrub more
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:27 AM
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I was having the same problem on one
part of the track at titc

So I asked jilles to have a look at my car
he suggested that

I take a dremil to the chassis and switch
the belts

Also move the battery in closer ( which I did)
and remove two of the rear screw on the top deck to aid in more
flex ( which I also )

The car was alot more planted and i was able to gun it
out of the hairpin un like before

The only think was then I was cooking the rear and had to back off in
the final and lost my lead of one lap before the tyres cooled
of

Thought I had enough time left to get another hot lap in

But missed out by .455 of sec

And my race was over
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Senna Racing View Post
I was having the same problem on one
part of the track at titc

So I asked jilles to have a look at my car
he suggested that

I take a dremil to the chassis and switch
the belts

Also move the battery in closer ( which I did)
and remove two of the rear screw on the top deck to aid in more
flex ( which I also )

The car was alot more planted and i was able to gun it
out of the hairpin un like before

The only think was then I was cooking the rear and had to back off in
the final and lost my lead of one lap before the tyres cooled
of

Thought I had enough time left to get another hot lap in

But missed out by .455 of sec

And my race was over
Which rear top deck screws did you take off? Can you show pics of your mod to the chassis? Were you running Mod during TITC? I was running Mod too and my tyres overheated after like 5-7 laps.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by M3dreamin2008 View Post
Just started running the X and I have the same problem. It spins out or it pushes for the first minute. I will try some different setups this weekend
had the same problem, apply anti-squat to the rear end and it's solved. now car is planted even with 2deg rear toe in
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had the same problem, apply anti-squat to the rear end and it's solved. now car is planted even with 2deg rear toe in
You mean put spacers under the rear front block? Which thickness?
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dameetz View Post
You mean put spacers under the rear front block? Which thickness?
yes, i add 1mm to the standard setup for 416X under the rear front block, that makes overall 1.5mm under the rear front, and 0.5mm under the rear rear
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:23 AM
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thanks for your reply redbones and Artwork... my opening race for the championship will be on carpet..hope i'll find the right setup to make the car work good...i'll try to play with weights position as you said..and hope that will help..
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:35 AM
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Guess I'll try the blues in the rear and the mega anti-squat
Going to try settings out of the norm too. Who knows, I might stumble upon something.

Does using the muchmore shock oil make that much difference? I currently use AE because that's the only oil the LHS carries. I know the viscosity rates are different, but you guys think MM55 is too hard for asphalt?
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Originally Posted by dameetz View Post
Which rear top deck screws did you take off? Can you show pics of your mod to the chassis? Were you running Mod during TITC? I was running Mod too and my tyres overheated after like 5-7 laps.
2nd last row.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:29 PM
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how to properly detach direct cup attached on trf416 spool ?

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