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Old 12-30-2007, 07:47 PM
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Also, I LOVE this car. I'm especially impressed with how well it resists tweaking (9 top deck screws!) and holds other adjustments, like camber. I couldn't be more pleased with my decision to go this route. Now I just need to give this car the driver it deserves.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgmeat View Post
thanks which 1 did you use...any pics
the Orion 4800 fits. You just have to evr so gently file the inside rear of the top deck in order to get your plug into the pack. The top deck covers a very small portion of the plug insert.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
Also, I LOVE this car. I'm especially impressed with how well it resists tweaking (9 top deck screws!) and holds other adjustments, like camber. I couldn't be more pleased with my decision to go this route. Now I just need to give this car the driver it deserves.
Me too, just wish I understood setup!
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The foam inserts seem to give the shocks a lot of rebound. I mean, full stroke, fairly quickly the way I'm building them. What's the preferred amount of rebound on this car, in general? I'm thinking of rebuilding them so they don't rebound much to see how things feel.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
The foam inserts seem to give the shocks a lot of rebound. I mean, full stroke, fairly quickly the way I'm building them. What's the preferred amount of rebound on this car, in general? I'm thinking of rebuilding them so they don't rebound much to see how things feel.

to me,shock rebound should be slow and smooth.shock rebound should be controled by the spring IMHO.
i know most people inc. me dont use anything about the diaphram.this gives minimum rebound and makes the shock smoother.By andding o-rings of different softnesses effect the rebound,,going hard gives it a fast rebound.
all i do is after bleeding the shocks i sit the black diaphram on top and push it down GENTLY all the way home,then i put the cap on,when the cap is 3/4 the way on i push the damper shaft about 1/2 way up.then pull down and sit the cap all the way home.
What that does is any excess oil u got in the cylinder lets it escape so you havent got a hard shock or a fast rebound.
when that is finshed it gives me a silky smooth shock and when the shock is fully compressed it just extends about 1/4 way out but feels real smooth.
i dunno if this is what most peope o but i have always built my shocks that way and had no problems.
i do this no matter what oil iam using or wether iam running carpet or ashphelt.
hope it helps.
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Old 12-31-2007, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
The foam inserts seem to give the shocks a lot of rebound. I mean, full stroke, fairly quickly the way I'm building them. What's the preferred amount of rebound on this car, in general? I'm thinking of rebuilding them so they don't rebound much to see how things feel.
I tend to run without any of the foam inserts when running indoors... no bumps to cope with Outdoors I tend to run them, as it helps the car to stand-up quicker and helps with bump absorbtion... IMO.

Anway, some pics of my car... finally


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Ed, nice write up and pixs ... good read - Thanks
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:16 AM
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Does the 415 front diff works on the 416 and can you use foam tires with the stock steering knuckle
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dawgmeat View Post
Does the 415 front diff works on the 416
No but the 416 rear diff works in the front of the 416.
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Old 12-31-2007, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Orange View Post
That´s a 415 spool with the pulley flipped over. This has been covered before and is easy to do.
Pardon , i don't understand as well: what do you mean flipped over, doesn't fit with 415 spool?
Do you take note there's a white bushing, like made with nylon, something like that, what is this?

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Originally Posted by mac853 View Post
Pardon , i don't understand as well: what do you mean flipped over, doesn't fit with 415 spool?
Do you take note there's a white bushing, like made with nylon, something like that, what is this?

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It's simply the 415 MRE spool, but with the pulley mounted the other side.
The white bushing simply looks like the delrin outdrive.
From what has been posted, it works fine in terms of fitment, but the outdrive sleaves need to be cut back by ~1mm to clear the bearing holders, OR use TA05 spool outdrives (the steel ones, with 4 slots).

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Originally Posted by dawgmeat View Post
Does the 415 front diff works on the 416 and can you use foam tires with the stock steering knuckle
As above for the diff (flip the rear, the spacing on the bulkheads is the same).

As for the knuckles... heres a comparison.
First pic is the 416 knuckles, second the 415... probably enough room for some 28mm foams

Some more comparisons (just bare in mind, these were taken with the rear suspension blocks of both cars lined up)...
Third pic is the steering, obvious to see the shorter bell cranks on the 416. Also interesting to note is that the suspension blocks are further forward (circled top of pic), by ~1mm, and the steering posts themselves seem slightly further forward.
Forth pic shows motor mounting of 416 vs 415, layshaft and motor are obviously further back in the car..

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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
It's simply the 415 MRE spool, but with the pulley mounted the other side.
The white bushing simply looks like the delrin outdrive.
From what has been posted, it works fine in terms of fitment, but the outdrive sleaves need to be cut back by ~1mm to clear the bearing holders, OR use TA05 spool outdrives (the steel ones, with 4 slots).

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Oh my bad, it's just a delrin outdrive.
Recommend me using MRE spool with ta05 outdrives?
Could be too with JAAD spool, this 1 fits also with Tamiya ta05 outdrives?
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by syndr0me View Post
The foam inserts seem to give the shocks a lot of rebound. I mean, full stroke, fairly quickly the way I'm building them. What's the preferred amount of rebound on this car, in general? I'm thinking of rebuilding them so they don't rebound much to see how things feel.
When running the 416 for the first time in a 2 day test I tried removing the foam inserts and built the dampers with much less rebound. I found that this seemed to give the car slightly more grip but more damper testing need to be done.
I also think that removing the foam changes the damping in bump (instroke) something that maybe should be considered.
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
It's simply the 415 MRE spool, but with the pulley mounted the other side.
The white bushing simply looks like the delrin outdrive.
From what has been posted, it works fine in terms of fitment, but the outdrive sleaves need to be cut back by ~1mm to clear the bearing holders, OR use TA05 spool outdrives (the steel ones, with 4 slots).

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I noticed that when mounting the pulley on the other side on the MRE spool it can be difficult to get the pulley centered on the spool axle.
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