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Old 02-14-2010, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by M-Technic View Post
Tamiyas laid it down in Florida last night. My 416WE TQ'd and won 17.5, while my friend's 416X laid down the fastest lap of the night in 13.5, and another friend TQ'd and won RCGT with a 416WE.
That's awesome, congrats!
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:03 PM
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Randy, question:

Running saturday, in the slow twisty stuff it seemed like it pushed a bit on entry, and the middle of the corner. Anything you see in the setup blatantly wrong? The track is small, and very high bite (indoor) asphalt. Droop is travel over ride height. I was thinking maybe a D block in the rear, and put some camber gain back in (3.5 or 3mm)?
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by geeunit1014 View Post
Randy, question:

Running saturday, in the slow twisty stuff it seemed like it pushed a bit on entry, and the middle of the corner. Anything you see in the setup blatantly wrong? The track is small, and very high bite (indoor) asphalt. Droop is travel over ride height. I was thinking maybe a D block in the rear, and put some camber gain back in (3.5 or 3mm)?
I'm not Randy but here's my two cents:

I would try running white springs up front, and/or remove the .5mm shims from the wheels. I would probably switch to the D block in the rear either way.
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I'm not Randy but here's my two cents:

I would try running white springs up front, and/or remove the .5mm shims from the wheels. I would probably switch to the D block in the rear either way.
I had whites on it, but it felt better w/ blues, the softer springs had a little more front traction in the slow corners. I also have the screw taken out of the brace on for the steering rack in the top plate for more front flex. I thought about narrowing the car too, but never got to try it
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Something else to try, rather than a D on the back, is try an X on the front. Same amount of Toe, but makes the car a bit wider. Narrowing the car at the (I found) makes the car push more mid to exit, as it give more rear grip (and more reaction).
Elliott Harper was testing the same thing this weekend, and came to the same conclusion
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Old 02-15-2010, 12:04 AM
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My car does the exact same thing when the servo saver is done. Best way to check is turn the car on and push on the servo arm, if it moves really easily then it is time for a new one.
I've tried a few different servo savers on there so I m going to rule out the servo saver.

Please please please let it be a faulty front one way...
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:18 AM
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someone who has a good basic setup for a 416X car? I am thinking of those accessories that come with the car out of the box
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
Something else to try, rather than a D on the back, is try an X on the front. Same amount of Toe, but makes the car a bit wider. Narrowing the car at the (I found) makes the car push more mid to exit, as it give more rear grip (and more reaction).
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Hmm, interesting. Something else to try The car is currently good on power, but understeers offpower, so thats what im trying to find
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by geeunit1014 View Post
I had whites on it, but it felt better w/ blues, the softer springs had a little more front traction in the slow corners. I also have the screw taken out of the brace on for the steering rack in the top plate for more front flex. I thought about narrowing the car too, but never got to try it
I can't imagine needing blues and the screw removed on high grip carpet. Last time I ran on carpet with whites up front and the screw in the steering my car was oversteering like mad until I lowered the rear roll centers (AND raised the front roll center).
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I can't imagine needing blues and the screw removed on high grip carpet. Last time I ran on carpet with whites up front and the screw in the steering my car was oversteering like mad until I lowered the rear roll centers (AND raised the front roll center).
Its not carpet, its asphalt.
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Its not carpet, its asphalt.
Sorry, I'm not sure why I assumed it was carpet. In any case, I still run whites on med/high grip asphalt. But I can see instances where you'd use blues on asphalt.
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
Something else to try, rather than a D on the back, is try an X on the front. Same amount of Toe, but makes the car a bit wider. Narrowing the car at the (I found) makes the car push more mid to exit, as it give more rear grip (and more reaction).
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Was he running xe in the rear front and x on the rear back?
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Was he running xe in the rear front and x on the rear back?
Nope, running 1X/1E. Same toe in as 1XA/1D, but moves the pin position out a little, and makes the rear a little wider with the same axle shims.

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Originally Posted by geeunit1014 View Post
Randy, question:

Running saturday, in the slow twisty stuff it seemed like it pushed a bit on entry, and the middle of the corner. Anything you see in the setup blatantly wrong? The track is small, and very high bite (indoor) asphalt. Droop is travel over ride height. I was thinking maybe a D block in the rear, and put some camber gain back in (3.5 or 3mm)?
i think u should try remove 1.0mm shim below the rf & rr suspension block...
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i think u should try remove 1.0mm shim below the rf & rr suspension block...
That could make it push more, lowering the rear roll center will increase the rear traction.
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