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Old 11-12-2009, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by yokemad View Post
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I know one piece front rear suspension block bends so easy after a crash do you guys recommend me to order split design two piece holders? if so which one should I go for 1c or 1d?
another point is servo saver I have kimbory servo saver should I go for tamiya one and alloy horn combo or not?
thanx in advance
I like the split blocks in the front, but they're harder to shim up if you want to raise them. Hopefully Tamiya will release some of the shims for those like they have with the longer blocks. As for C/C or D/D, that's up to you. That's one of the things people commonly change on the front of the car to make it more aggressive. It might be worth having both, but if you pick only one, I'd go with D/D, as the other can be very aggressive.

The Kimbrough servo saver will last forever, but I think it's a little soft and less direct feeling. The Tamiya saver with the alum horn has a nice direct feel, but you'll stretch them out every now and then and need to replace the plastic portion ($5). If the car feels like it won't center, it's probably time to change the saver. I just test it by trying to turn the wheels with the radio on (so the servo holds position) and looking to see if there's any play. If it "clicks" from side to side, it's time to replace.
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Tamiya have

White = Extra hard
Blue = Hard
Yellow= Medium
red = Soft

but the HPi springs are
between White and blue = gold
Between Blue and Yellow = silver

i find the HPi springs give better car control on Asphat then the Tamiya springs but on carpet they are too agressave and the tamiya springs are better
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Thanx Mate
so should I shim them up with 3mm like the one piece blocks?
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Old 11-12-2009, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by yokemad View Post
Thanx Mate
so should I shim them up with 3mm like the one piece blocks?
Nope, the shims are only because that block is flipped (to clear the belt). With the 2pc blocks, there's no need to flip them.
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Old 11-12-2009, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by suparajicon View Post
Does anyone knows which springs fits the Tamiya dampers? The thing is that as I running with Lipos I have no idea which oil or springs use. And I don,t that tamiya spring are made for lipos...Can anyone help?
i use corally black springs
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yokemad View Post
hi guys
I know one piece front rear suspension block bends so easy after a crash do you guys recommend me to order split design two piece holders? if so which one should I go for 1c or 1d?
Same question from me. I tweaked the front rear block (if that's the right way to describe the rear block in the front suspension) pretty much right away.
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by reenmachine View Post
Same question from me. I tweaked the front rear block (if that's the right way to describe the rear block in the front suspension) pretty much right away.
you must be hitting soooo hard
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Old 11-12-2009, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by B18C Turbo View Post
you must be hitting soooo hard
i bent 2 of them in 6 months racing indoor

bought the split blocks as soon as they came out and all ok for the last 3 months

big + from me on the hop up to buy
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Originally Posted by B18C Turbo View Post
you must be hitting soooo hard
Not particularly. I haven't even broken or bent an aluminum turnbuckle but that suspension block deformed. Maybe I'm just lucky.
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Old 11-12-2009, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by suparajicon View Post
Which HPI color do you use with 2s? I run on indoor asphalt.
Does Tamiya have only yellow,red and blue short or long? Or they have more?
Various combinations of the HPI springs on asphalt.
Blue (r) - Silver (f) or Silver - Silver or Silver - Gold

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If u bent your FR blocks, you may as well replace with split block. They are rock solid. Get both C & D so you have tuning options.

Regarding HPI springs, I would add Pinks to Stein's list. They are between gold and silver in spring rate.
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Originally Posted by suparajicon View Post
Does anyone knows which springs fits the Tamiya dampers? The thing is that as I running with Lipos I have no idea which oil or springs use. And I don,t that tamiya spring are made for lipos...Can anyone help?
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Spring Rating [lb/in]
Orange 18.87
Green 16.06
Pink 14.93
Yellow 14.71
White 12.94
Blue 12.12

Rayspeed
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Gray 19.90
Red 18.26
White 17.17
Yellow 14.87
Blue 14.29
Green 13.20

Associated
Spring Rating [lb/in]
White 40.00
Yellow 31.91
Purple 30.30
Copper 23.26
Red 23.08
Gold 18.35
Blue 16.53
Silver 13.89
Green 11.43

Tamiya
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Purple 22.72
Gray 20.91
White Short 17.24
Blue Short 15.27
White 14.82
Blue 14.08
Yellow 13.33
Red Short 13.24
Yellow Short 12.90
Red 11.86

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Originally Posted by suparajicon View Post
Does anyone knows which springs fits the Tamiya dampers? The thing is that as I running with Lipos I have no idea which oil or springs use. And I don,t that tamiya spring are made for lipos...Can anyone help?
Yokomo
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Orange 18.87
Green 16.06
Pink 14.93
Yellow 14.71
White 12.94
Blue 12.12

Rayspeed
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Gray 19.90
Red 18.26
White 17.17
Yellow 14.87
Blue 14.29
Green 13.20

Associated
Spring Rating [lb/in]
White 40.00
Yellow 31.91
Purple 30.30
Copper 23.26
Red 23.08
Gold 18.35
Blue 16.53
Silver 13.89
Green 11.43

Tamiya
Spring Rating [lb/in]
Purple 22.72
Gray 20.91
White Short 17.24
Blue Short 15.27
White 14.82
Blue 14.08
Yellow 13.33
Red Short 13.24
Yellow Short 12.90
Red 11.86

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Old 11-14-2009, 08:55 AM
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hi guys
would you recommend me to use 44 or 46 steel driveshafts with spool ? I've got both at the moment ...
also has anybody tried TIR racing front spool?
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Old 11-14-2009, 09:05 AM
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i used 44's all summer long outside with no problems

then i went indoors and at tthe first race meeting i broke 3 spool outdrives before i realised i needed 46's

i will always use 46's now but i feel that sometimes on full lock they tend to tie the car up , i am now using 1C 1C front not 1D 1D i was using so maybe i will be ok with 44's
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