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Old 08-31-2009, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzbob View Post
I have, & I regularly use AE springs on mine(mainly when I need one that's different from the rates of the Tamiya springs). The fit seems absolutely the same to me....
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramyuras View Post
Man that suck I just got my 416WE and now they are not running/making the 416 any more, even if they take 1year for another car what about parts support? any one know for sure if this is true?
The TRF cars aren't in full time production, Tamiya produces a batch every couple of months when the demand is up for them. Don't worry about parts support either as mentioned earlier parts are still easy to find for the 415's, so support for the 416 will go on long after 416 production ends.

Yip the AE springs are a perfect fit
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Old 09-01-2009, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sidecarphil1 View Post
they wont end the 416 just yet although i do believe they will produce a reinhard or groskamp / european champion edition
since IFMAR already approved LiPo, do you think Tamiya still developing 416? or maybe there will be 416 euro edition and after a month they will release 417 LiPo friendly car?? same like MSXX MRE & 416 2 years ago
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Old 09-01-2009, 06:37 AM
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my 416 is lipo friendly

i have had no lipos that dont fit , all though i havn't tried the 5200's from lrp and the others
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sidecarphil1 View Post
my 416 is lipo friendly

i have had no lipos that dont fit , all though i havn't tried the 5200's from lrp and the others
oops sorry
what i meant with "417 lipo friendly car" is radical change on chassis design which optimize LiPo usage, because 416 layout is originally designed for NiMH (battery on right side and electronics on left side)
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by krat View Post
oops sorry
what i meant with "417 lipo friendly car" is radical change on chassis design which optimize LiPo usage, because 416 layout is originally designed for NiMH (battery on right side and electronics on left side)
So a Type-R?
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Besercoe View Post
Randy - Im pretty sure that the Cyclone ball is much larger than the Tamiya equivalent, as well as the pin is wider.
I would imagine that you could just get the HB POM spool outdrives to mate it up with the spool. Everything seems quite universal in the last few years, but if the outdrives dont fit, i would say oyu could use the entire HB Spool.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the ball will fit in our outdrive no problem. I think the only modification would need to be filing the outdrive a bit to accept the larger pin. I haven't tried it myself yet so I can't be 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure about it.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sidecarphil1 View Post
the alloy part of my steering tooches before the C hub touches the knuckle

and my steering on my DX3S is at 150% throw and 10% expo
Without modification, the bellcranks will most likely limit your steering throw, but it is still possible to get the knuckle to touch the c-hub if you wanted to, which I would consider full steering lock. I generally set my car with about a 1.5-2mm gap between the knuckle and c-hub when it is at full lock left or right. If you can get enough steering without having to even turn that far then your car will carry more cornerspeed because of less binding in the universal.
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:50 AM
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I have a feeling that with IFMAR implementing Lipo's, that everyone will be working on new TC platforms in the near future.

Another pretty cool idea I have seen run out my way is 1 cell lipo TC. The cars are extremely light (1200+- grams) and tire wear is minimal.
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Old 09-01-2009, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy Caster View Post
I have a feeling that with IFMAR implementing Lipo's, that everyone will be working on new TC platforms in the near future.

Another pretty cool idea I have seen run out my way is 1 cell lipo TC. The cars are extremely light (1200+- grams) and tire wear is minimal.
and with a 3.5 its just a tad faster than a 13.5
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:15 PM
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I think that 1 cell racing could pick up if 10.5 was stock, 7.5 or 8.5 was superstock, and for modified, I'm sure we'd start to see 1 or 1.5 turn motors making an appearance before long.

The 3.5 motors they were running were just normal 3.5's, with the right tuning, I would think that laptimes would be really close between 1 cell and 2 cell cars.

But the main reason I like it is it drops the cost of racing, which is what I think is killing the on-road scene.
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Old 09-01-2009, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Besercoe View Post
Randy - Im pretty sure that the Cyclone ball is much larger than the Tamiya equivalent, as well as the pin is wider.
I would imagine that you could just get the HB POM spool outdrives to mate it up with the spool. Everything seems quite universal in the last few years, but if the outdrives dont fit, i would say oyu could use the entire HB Spool.
The cyclone ball is bigger, however the HB spool as a complete unit has different spacing between the bearings and if you use the HB POM spool outdrives on the 416 spool they are to short.

I drilled out the 416 outdrives by 0.4mm and widened the slot.

Still yet to run it though.
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Old 09-01-2009, 03:28 PM
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How much did you have to shim the axle? And did you use the shims on the inside or outside of the axle?
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I think it was 0.5mm on the inside of the axle.
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Old 09-01-2009, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzbob View Post
I have, & I regularly use AE springs on mine(mainly when I need one that's different from the rates of the Tamiya springs). The fit seems absolutely the same to me....
In Finland we run usually AE springs because on lower grip that we usually have, those seem to work best. I guess those are a bit more progressive, so when driving in lower grip the car starts to roll a bit easier. With tamiya springs the car hasn´t got enough grip to lean on, so it is a lot faster to react to steering and it is way too twitchy to drive. With AE springs the car rolls more so it is a bit slower to react which in this case is a good thing. Car also seem to have more mid corner steering with AE springs.

But when the grip is good (almost traction rolling etc.), Tamiya springs have enough grip to work and to lean on and AE springs kinda collapse and give way too much weight transfer and make the car really loose and slow in changing direction.

Usually we use ae blue in front and silver on rear, or tamiya white/blue
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