Tamiya TRF416 / TRF416WE / TRF416X
#4951
Tech Addict
If you take a look at the website you will see there is a tech chart for the A-finalists
http://tcm2009.lrp.cc/fileadmin/PDFs...chChart_fv.pdf
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http://tcm2009.lrp.cc/fileadmin/PDFs...chChart_fv.pdf
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#4952
Info
Hi I wanted to get some experienced info on the 416 WCE. I am a soon to be former Yokomo BDM driver and I loved the car. I actually wanted the new BD-5 but have just found out it seems it will not be imported to USA. My next choice(maybe should have been first choice) is the 416 WCE. But I had some general questions. They are:
1. How durable is the 416. I don't expect magic but want a car that is durable enough that I don't have to carry a complete car for spares.
2. What items typically break on the car?
3. How easy is it to get parts for it. What are the best places online to get parts in USA or other.
4. Where can I go to get good setup starting points. I am pretty experienced in setup being a former regional champ(many years ago, lol) but always want guidelines
Thanks in advance for any info!
1. How durable is the 416. I don't expect magic but want a car that is durable enough that I don't have to carry a complete car for spares.
2. What items typically break on the car?
3. How easy is it to get parts for it. What are the best places online to get parts in USA or other.
4. Where can I go to get good setup starting points. I am pretty experienced in setup being a former regional champ(many years ago, lol) but always want guidelines
Thanks in advance for any info!
#4953
Tech Adept
iTrader: (1)
How do all... was racing at Eastbourne (UK) this weekend and was struggling for front end grip all day.
It was blooming cold, and it is a low grip track, but no matter what I did nothing was working... took 1mm off the inner camber link, turned the "hub hat" upside down and shimmed took all the roll bars off 40w with tamiya blues alround, more rear droop....
All this resorted in was nearly sideways (if in too hot) around the sweeper and still no front end bite....
Would less spacers for more ackerman helped?
I didnt really want to loose rear end traction (13.5) as the grip was low anyhow... so I left it to altering the front end...
shock possitions 3 front 5 rear with CC up front and E at the rear with 1mm hex shim and the .5m under the rear blocks.
although I pulled 4th out of the bag, it still was not right so any ideas welcome
It was blooming cold, and it is a low grip track, but no matter what I did nothing was working... took 1mm off the inner camber link, turned the "hub hat" upside down and shimmed took all the roll bars off 40w with tamiya blues alround, more rear droop....
All this resorted in was nearly sideways (if in too hot) around the sweeper and still no front end bite....
Would less spacers for more ackerman helped?
I didnt really want to loose rear end traction (13.5) as the grip was low anyhow... so I left it to altering the front end...
shock possitions 3 front 5 rear with CC up front and E at the rear with 1mm hex shim and the .5m under the rear blocks.
although I pulled 4th out of the bag, it still was not right so any ideas welcome
#4955
Tech Addict
Hi I wanted to get some experienced info on the 416 WCE. I am a soon to be former Yokomo BDM driver and I loved the car. I actually wanted the new BD-5 but have just found out it seems it will not be imported to USA. My next choice(maybe should have been first choice) is the 416 WCE. But I had some general questions. They are:
1. How durable is the 416. I don't expect magic but want a car that is durable enough that I don't have to carry a complete car for spares.
2. What items typically break on the car?
3. How easy is it to get parts for it. What are the best places online to get parts in USA or other.
4. Where can I go to get good setup starting points. I am pretty experienced in setup being a former regional champ(many years ago, lol) but always want guidelines
Thanks in advance for any info!
1. How durable is the 416. I don't expect magic but want a car that is durable enough that I don't have to carry a complete car for spares.
2. What items typically break on the car?
3. How easy is it to get parts for it. What are the best places online to get parts in USA or other.
4. Where can I go to get good setup starting points. I am pretty experienced in setup being a former regional champ(many years ago, lol) but always want guidelines
Thanks in advance for any info!
You find tons of useful 416 info at Tryhards site
http://www.thard.co.uk/
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#4956
Tech Adept
Setups
Why is it that there arent many setups for the 416 by the "experts".
Many of the sites for other cars publish the top drivers but i never hardly see setups for Marc or Jilles?
Many of the sites for other cars publish the top drivers but i never hardly see setups for Marc or Jilles?
#4957
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
How do all... was racing at Eastbourne (UK) this weekend and was struggling for front end grip all day.
It was blooming cold, and it is a low grip track, but no matter what I did nothing was working... took 1mm off the inner camber link, turned the "hub hat" upside down and shimmed took all the roll bars off 40w with tamiya blues alround, more rear droop....
All this resorted in was nearly sideways (if in too hot) around the sweeper and still no front end bite....
Would less spacers for more ackerman helped?
I didnt really want to loose rear end traction (13.5) as the grip was low anyhow... so I left it to altering the front end...
shock possitions 3 front 5 rear with CC up front and E at the rear with 1mm hex shim and the .5m under the rear blocks.
although I pulled 4th out of the bag, it still was not right so any ideas welcome
It was blooming cold, and it is a low grip track, but no matter what I did nothing was working... took 1mm off the inner camber link, turned the "hub hat" upside down and shimmed took all the roll bars off 40w with tamiya blues alround, more rear droop....
All this resorted in was nearly sideways (if in too hot) around the sweeper and still no front end bite....
Would less spacers for more ackerman helped?
I didnt really want to loose rear end traction (13.5) as the grip was low anyhow... so I left it to altering the front end...
shock possitions 3 front 5 rear with CC up front and E at the rear with 1mm hex shim and the .5m under the rear blocks.
although I pulled 4th out of the bag, it still was not right so any ideas welcome
Maybe 4.5mm or 4mm might have worked better for initial bite, but maybe would have lost some eleswhere. Could also have narrowed the car down, with 0.5mm or 0mm on the hexes.... erm other ideas, softer oil in the front?
I take it that was the STCC? Might have to break mine out at some point outdoors this year....I'm getting the itch already
#4958
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
I know TRF USA is giving it a stab (massively comendable guys ), but from the EU and Japan boys and girls, it's a bit hard... Jilles poped on here for a while, but hasn't been here for a long time now.
Also, Marc is quite reknowned for not noting down his setups
Any of the ones you find, will tend to be taken by other people at the races, and then passed on...
HiH
Ed
#4960
Tech Adept
Hello guys,
You guys are absolutely right about the fact that we don't share a lot of info and set-ups on this forum.
I have tried to keep up in the beginning on the TRF 416 topic but there are so many posts I get a little confused.
Nevertheless I try to get more involved in the forum again or maybe if you guys think it's a good idea I can start my own thread?
Attached is my set-up from the LRP race yesterday.
Jilles Groskamp
You guys are absolutely right about the fact that we don't share a lot of info and set-ups on this forum.
I have tried to keep up in the beginning on the TRF 416 topic but there are so many posts I get a little confused.
Nevertheless I try to get more involved in the forum again or maybe if you guys think it's a good idea I can start my own thread?
Attached is my set-up from the LRP race yesterday.
Jilles Groskamp
#4961
Tech Adept
This one is easier to check!
#4962
Tech Champion
iTrader: (4)
Jilles,
Thats fantastic, thank you lots Congrats on the result yesterday (and the ETS too), no-one can get near the TRF EU team at the moment
Whatever's easiest for you to do... I'm sure you would get loads of people asking you about your setups, and general Q's in your own thread (Paul L has one as well).
Also, if you like, please feel free to add any pointers onto my site... I do already have some setup's from yourself on there, so feel free to add them in, and any other tips you feel useful. Thard.co.uk
You taking the time out to post here is greatly appreciated.
One thing I'd like to ask... If you had a bit too much rotation on the rear, would you change the rear roll bar or rear shocks first? I've been running a medium rear bar for the past year on the car, and found it better... however I recently switched to running equal weight oils in the shocks, and noticed it now seemed a bit too loose, so I guess that's why you guys are running the softer rear bar?
Cheers
Ed
Thats fantastic, thank you lots Congrats on the result yesterday (and the ETS too), no-one can get near the TRF EU team at the moment
Whatever's easiest for you to do... I'm sure you would get loads of people asking you about your setups, and general Q's in your own thread (Paul L has one as well).
Also, if you like, please feel free to add any pointers onto my site... I do already have some setup's from yourself on there, so feel free to add them in, and any other tips you feel useful. Thard.co.uk
You taking the time out to post here is greatly appreciated.
One thing I'd like to ask... If you had a bit too much rotation on the rear, would you change the rear roll bar or rear shocks first? I've been running a medium rear bar for the past year on the car, and found it better... however I recently switched to running equal weight oils in the shocks, and noticed it now seemed a bit too loose, so I guess that's why you guys are running the softer rear bar?
Cheers
Ed
Last edited by TryHard; 03-30-2009 at 03:13 PM.
#4963
Hello guys,
You guys are absolutely right about the fact that we don't share a lot of info and set-ups on this forum.
I have tried to keep up in the beginning on the TRF 416 topic but there are so many posts I get a little confused.
Nevertheless I try to get more involved in the forum again or maybe if you guys think it's a good idea I can start my own thread?
Attached is my set-up from the LRP race yesterday.
Jilles Groskamp
You guys are absolutely right about the fact that we don't share a lot of info and set-ups on this forum.
I have tried to keep up in the beginning on the TRF 416 topic but there are so many posts I get a little confused.
Nevertheless I try to get more involved in the forum again or maybe if you guys think it's a good idea I can start my own thread?
Attached is my set-up from the LRP race yesterday.
Jilles Groskamp
You are my new hero! Thank you for stepping up to the plate and helping us out. Your the Man!!!
Last edited by CHRIS CHAVEZ; 03-30-2009 at 07:32 PM. Reason: spelling
#4964
Thanks Jilles!
#4965
Jilles do you have any set up for foam on carpet?
Thanks
Thanks