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Old 03-05-2009, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by STLNLST View Post
You better knock on wood.... Now I know where to hit your car should you ever be in front of me at a race....
Don't believe him Chris. He has never seen me do it "Nor Cal Style" So he has nothing to go on....
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Old 03-05-2009, 01:56 PM
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About spool cups I'm just little puzzled, we have the same issue but I am sure Tamiya will distribute spool as soon as possible, maybe in the next weeks, in the meanwhile Tamiya will thing how to build more durable (if necessary) .

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Old 03-05-2009, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
I'm here...

The 415 cups are different to the 416 ones, as I beleive they are a little wider between the bearings... however a little mod to the bearing holder, I'm pretty sure you can run them. Only issue I can see (and as I no longer have a 415, I can't check), is the fitment of the alloy sleeves. I have a feeling the 416's might be too short, and the 415's too fat at the bearing end...

Another option is using steel cups... I've run the ones from the TA05 spool (they fit, apart from needing to mod the bearing holder as above), and certainly won't break, and I've also run ones from Xceed. however, being a little heavier, they do take away a bit of steering. Still, as a stop gap until the plastic ones come in, the option is there.

All you need to get it to fit (and I'm sure I've mentioned this before), is take the bearing holder, and remove some material from the inner face, facing the bearing. It needs less than a mm to do, and a dremel cutting bit placed flat agains the face (i.e. sanding, not cutting) does the job in seconds.

I have to admit, I'm with Randy on the breaking cups issue though... I think I've only broken one in over a years racing. More often than not I have to replace them beacuse they're worn out!

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Old 03-05-2009, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by John St.Amant View Post
How big is youe track.. how much traction do you have ? I ran a 5.83 final on a 70x36 track and it was ballistic! and 10 turn brushless,,, umm that doesnt make any sence . Is it a 10.5 or not?
ya, think shd b 10.5. track is rather big but is still in the progress of building up.
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Old 03-05-2009, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy Caster View Post
I'm wondering the same thing. I don't even get much wear out of my cups. I have broken 1 of them so far, and the impact deserved it, lol. They have held up great for me so far though.
Randy, r u using ko propo BMC esc now ???
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Old 03-05-2009, 06:31 PM
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Paper weight? Really? Just run a 415 spool in the mean time. There should be no reason you can not run the car if you run out of 416 cups (other than the excuse that you don't want to race it). And there are other companies who make 415 spools. Just flip the pulley to the other side like we had to do last year before the 416 spools came out. Temp fix. I have tons of spare cups (white and black and steel cups), 2 extra diffs, a 415 spool. My car will never be a paper weight.

But this does not solve the issue with people breaking cups the black cups. My suggest to those who do, is get a set of steel TA05 cups and mod out the bearing holders. You won't have any more problems.

I don't think the cup design is a problem. It's a wearable performance item. I think the problem is supply/demand for them. Perhaps Tamiya can address the wear issue by making a uhhh less performance related spool, but I doubt it because this is their flagship performance car. If you notice, the TA05 and TB03 get steel cups... the 415/416/Evo got delrin/plastic.

Blah blah blah...

10.5 motor... I ran a 96 spur, and sometimes I ran a 100 spur. Gearing depends on motor and track. I ran same gearing as a 13.5.... somewhere around 4.5 final on an outdoor track. Maybe a 5.0 final will be fine.
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Old 03-05-2009, 06:55 PM
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It is nice to have the right spares. Since you have tons of them, you want to sell some Black cups ?

And I have already have moved to using the white delrin cups, but they are not as plentiful as they have been in the past either. If you want to race, it is time to be resourceful.


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Paper weight? Really? Just run a 415 spool in the mean time. There should be no reason you can not run the car if you run out of 416 cups (other than the excuse that you don't want to race it). And there are other companies who make 415 spools. Just flip the pulley to the other side like we had to do last year before the 416 spools came out. Temp fix. I have tons of spare cups (white and black and steel cups), 2 extra diffs, a 415 spool. My car will never be a paper weight.

But this does not solve the issue with people breaking cups the black cups. My suggest to those who do, is get a set of steel TA05 cups and mod out the bearing holders. You won't have any more problems.

I don't think the cup design is a problem. It's a wearable performance item. I think the problem is supply/demand for them. Perhaps Tamiya can address the wear issue by making a uhhh less performance related spool, but I doubt it because this is their flagship performance car. If you notice, the TA05 and TB03 get steel cups... the 415/416/Evo got delrin/plastic.

Blah blah blah...

10.5 motor... I ran a 96 spur, and sometimes I ran a 100 spur. Gearing depends on motor and track. I ran same gearing as a 13.5.... somewhere around 4.5 final on an outdoor track. Maybe a 5.0 final will be fine.
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Old 03-05-2009, 06:56 PM
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Sounds like an asphalt vs carpet thing, us asphalt runners don't seem to have the problem... anyway, I'm sick of talking about spool cups, lets talk set up...

... I tried the Victor Wilck reedy race setup from last year, compared to my base setup (which didnt suit our new layout) it had higher front rc, lower rear rc, and stiffer front springs - I expected it to push, and it did, but not as much as I expected and it was awesome through the high speed chicane and I was still quick (missed TQ by 2s). I'm gonna try a few things this weekend to get a bit more steering but it's a great starting point for low-med grip asphalt
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White cups in stock.. HK of course.
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_i...oducts_id=9011
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Old 03-05-2009, 07:26 PM
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(1) Black cup in stock.
http://shopping.rcmodel.hk/product_i...ducts_id=13177
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These might work.
http://www.precisionrc.com/nv/car/pr...oduct_id=54641
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Old 03-05-2009, 07:45 PM
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White cups, maybe in stock.
http://www.precisionrc.com/nv/car/pr...oduct_id=52378

Need a 416 spool?
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...1&I=LXUGY6&P=K

http://atomic-enterprises-inc.amazon...source=froogle

http://www.etamiya.com/shop/tamiya-4...-90000182.html

http://cgi.ebay.com.sg/Tamiya-TRF416...QQcmdZViewItem

415 White cups.
http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/rc-trf...th=595_744_711

415 Steel cups.
http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/rc-evo...th=595_744_711
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1 DEG Rear upright
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Originally Posted by RC MARKET View Post
1 DEG Rear upright
Is that for 1deg rear toe in?
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