4LikesTamiya TRF416 / TRF416WE / TRF416X
11-02-2008, 02:34 PM
#3137
hi,i was looking at Jilles Groskamp setup using D,D,XA,E as suspension mounts.
is my impression or the use of this mounts will make the car wider then the stock one???
thanx
is my impression or the use of this mounts will make the car wider then the stock one???
thanx
11-02-2008, 02:46 PM
#3138
11-02-2008, 02:53 PM
#3139
WHAT difference would make with short or long arms???
11-02-2008, 04:12 PM
#3141
Jilles clearly stated he used other A-arms: the evo-arms which are shorter.
but then ... his setup-page is such a mess
I had difficulties reading it also So I made a new one with his setup:
Jilles Groskamp HPI-setup (PDF-document)
11-02-2008, 04:20 PM
#3142
SO IF I KEEP THE LONG ARMS I WOULD LOOSE GRIP.
I WILL TRY FIRST WITH THE LONG AND SEE HOW IT FEEL.
I WILL TRY FIRST WITH THE LONG AND SEE HOW IT FEEL.
11-02-2008, 09:12 PM
#3143
check this out fellas!
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
give chedda bob a p.m. and he will be happy to help you find the right one for your car.
only 2 posts down from here,
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
give chedda bob a p.m. and he will be happy to help you find the right one for your car.
only 2 posts down from here,
Last edited by John St.Amant; 11-03-2008 at 03:52 PM.
11-03-2008, 01:16 AM
#3144
check this out fellas!
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
I still prefer my ppd, it's beautifully machined. Since I took these pics I've ditched the lipo lead because I went back to using a full weight body
http://www.rctech.net/forum/4698843-post8250.html
11-03-2008, 02:08 AM
#3145
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check this out fellas!
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
chedda bob made some steel plates for lipo users to fill a need for my 416 and 3800 orion packs. It fits like a glove and weighs almost 4 oz. putting it all down low where u want it instead of up on the pack. pm him or me if u want more info on them. .apparently he makes them for several aplications. I hope these attached pic work and are of assistance . notice that its totally stealthed out from the top. the pach locks into place and is totally flush with the bottom of the chassis.. nice work chedda!
thanks again for the pics john, glad you like it bud
anyone thats interested shoot me a pm. ideally i would like $40 shipped for them as they are kinda a pita to machine, and thats including paypal fees, shipping, etc
11-03-2008, 09:52 AM
#3146
If you would think of it as changing the fulcrum point and how it effects the roll center you would see that its all about the ratio and angle of the upper arm to the lower arm and the position (triangulation) of the pivot points .
If a shorter arm could give you more grip the losi car would be world champ.
but if you also notice the upper arm is very short as well on the losi. Its all about the ratio of the 2 arms and their angle that they are mounted on. Usually a shoryet arm mean the lower inner mount is wider and thats what you need to look at. Not just the length of the arm. If I could see what lower hinge pin mounts he used .. probably 1E or even F if they exist... thats what you need to look at....
11-03-2008, 12:05 PM
#3147
HE USE D,D,XA,E
11-03-2008, 01:58 PM
#3148
Short arms do not equal more grip.
If you would think of it as changing the fulcrum point and how it effects the roll center you would see that its all about the ratio and angle of the upper arm to the lower arm and the position (triangulation) of the pivot points .
If a shorter arm could give you more grip the losi car would be world champ.
but if you also notice the upper arm is very short as well on the losi. Its all about the ratio of the 2 arms and their angle that they are mounted on. Usually a shoryet arm mean the lower inner mount is wider and thats what you need to look at. Not just the length of the arm. If I could see what lower hinge pin mounts he used .. probably 1E or even F if they exist... thats what you need to look at....
If you would think of it as changing the fulcrum point and how it effects the roll center you would see that its all about the ratio and angle of the upper arm to the lower arm and the position (triangulation) of the pivot points .
If a shorter arm could give you more grip the losi car would be world champ.
but if you also notice the upper arm is very short as well on the losi. Its all about the ratio of the 2 arms and their angle that they are mounted on. Usually a shoryet arm mean the lower inner mount is wider and thats what you need to look at. Not just the length of the arm. If I could see what lower hinge pin mounts he used .. probably 1E or even F if they exist... thats what you need to look at....
fyi F blocks exist, but most setups use XA/E at the rear. Note that if you use D/D and XA/E your front track will be wider than the front by 1mm i.e. most setups using that combo use spacers in the rear. I prefer C/C XA/E and 1/2mm spacer in the rear
