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Old 06-28-2008, 04:23 PM
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Anybody know where I can get those dialed black toe blocks?
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Old 06-29-2008, 04:48 AM
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I asked this question a few pages back but I think it got a bit lost...

what effect does using more spacers under the rear camber links have? I understand what effect changing the angle has on roll centre but many of the setups I've seen use around 3mm under both sides of the link & don't understand what this does when compared to the kits .5mm under each side
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CraigM View Post
I asked this question a few pages back but I think it got a bit lost...
what effect does using more spacers under the rear camber links have? I understand what effect changing the angle has on roll centre but many of the setups I've seen use around 3mm under both sides of the link & don't understand what this does when compared to the kits .5mm under each side
David Spashett originally gave me the idea to try this on the 415 (raise the rear link up). He said that it helped to smooth out the rear of the car, and make it less snappy, which was useful for carpet. You know what, he was right....

Or to be a bit more scientific...It does alter the roll centre and camber characterisrtics. On the 415, adding 1mm under the inner link lowered the RC by about ~0.6mm, whereas adding 1mm under the outer link lowered it by ~0.8mm. Effectively, the outer adjustment is coarser than the inner. I haven't measured the same on the 416 yet, but it is not hugely different to the 415 in terms of geometry, so they will probably similar there.

Also moving the links up will alter how the camber changes through the suspension being compressed. Haven't figured that one out in my head yet (although my guess is it helps reduce the amount of change).

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Old 06-29-2008, 11:11 AM
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Tamiya new blue spring ?
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Old 06-29-2008, 03:09 PM
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hey I'm goin to racing an TCS race with my 416. anyone
out there got an set up for tamyia tires and 10.5 on an med. traction parking
lot track? oh ya with an tamyia body also, man this goin to intersting
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Old 06-29-2008, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RC MARKET View Post
Tamiya new blue spring ?

Check out the top deck, both the steering screw is not in there, and it looks like the rear portion has been cut accross at the webbing.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
David Spashett originally gave me the idea to try this on the 415 (raise the rear link up). He said that it helped to smooth out the rear of the car, and make it less snappy, which was useful for carpet. You know what, he was right....

Or to be a bit more scientific...It does alter the roll centre and camber characterisrtics. On the 415, adding 1mm under the inner link lowered the RC by about ~0.6mm, whereas adding 1mm under the outer link lowered it by ~0.8mm. Effectively, the outer adjustment is coarser than the inner. I haven't measured the same on the 416 yet, but it is not hugely different to the 415 in terms of geometry, so they will probably similar there.

Also moving the links up will alter how the camber changes through the suspension being compressed. Haven't figured that one out in my head yet (although my guess is it helps reduce the amount of change).

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Originally Posted by Vicko View Post
hey I'm goin to racing an TCS race with my 416. anyone
out there got an set up for tamyia tires and 10.5 on an med. traction parking
lot track? oh ya with an tamyia body also, man this goin to intersting
the Hupo H reedy race setup is pretty good for those conditions though I went to XA/E at the rear
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Besercoe View Post
Check out the top deck, both the steering screw is not in there, and it looks like the rear portion has been cut accross at the webbing.
i tried this too with the steering. i flipped mine upside down..and screwed it back in. i thought about cutting that piece off the rear portion of the upper deck to increase flex. but i dont wanna spend $$ on another upper deck just in case it doesnt work.
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Old 06-30-2008, 03:06 AM
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Hello,

just back from the ETS Race from Andernach. I am so happy got to the Stock A-Main. The car was awesome to drive. Unfortunalety I have realized it too late, that laying dampers on the rear would be the right thing.

Marc was using a new motormount plate, which was reinforced (bending with a 3.5T motor is a possible problem). The setups of all 416 were neraly the same (also Mod or Stock). Here you can see my setup:
http://sakaguchinet.dyndns.org/sites..._sakaguchi.jpg

The "Topdeckwithoutscrew" modification was very nice to drive (especially when the track had no grip). Nearly everyone used it. Some drivers (me too) have cut the steering post a little bit down, to avoid touching the topdeck.
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Originally Posted by Hebiki View Post
syndrome... with my experience.. you'll need at least the following:

Qty - block
2 - 1A
2 - 1B
2 - 1C
2 - 1D
1 - 1XA
1 - 1XB
1 - 1E

looks like they have a "1F" for those that want to widen the stance using the evoV short arms. ive always used the "1A" up front as a bridge.. with 1D. some setups ive seen now have 1B/1B up front.. or 1C/1C.

ive used a very narrow set up too using the 1XD.. but that was on asphalt.
some sus. mount 1X -1E was arrived la !
44mm Swing shafts
trf416 diff set
F & R belt ...
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Besercoe View Post
Check out the top deck, both the steering screw is not in there, and it looks like the rear portion has been cut accross at the webbing.
upper deck also not have screw !
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RC MARKET View Post
Tamiya new blue spring ?
Dai, congratulations on your A-Main

looking at the weight blocks, that also are blue, i think the blue springs are "homemade"
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RC MARKET View Post
some sus. mount 1X -1E was arrived la !
44mm Swing shafts
trf416 diff set
F & R belt ...
When will the 1F suspension mount arrive?
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Originally Posted by C van der Hagen View Post
When will the 1F suspension mount arrive?
We was order all new items ,
but only these items arrived !
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Old 06-30-2008, 12:32 PM
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question.. why are you guys lying the rear shocks down so far? and what effect does it have on entry/mid/exit steering? id like to try it out next im at the track and see what happens. (also try the raising the rear camber links next time im out). thanks guys!
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