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Old 09-05-2007, 06:54 PM   #16
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For the weights, all three motors have sintered rotors in them, with Novak's being the new 13mm variety.
Wow, the lightest motor out of the bunch... I would think it would be heavier

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Not yet. I may try to get to the track Sunday and test it out. It definitely makes a different noise than the other two. The Feiago motors have a fan on the rotor, which makes kind of a loud whistling noise, and also supposedly keeps them cooler.

I didn't measure air gap, but I believe the Orion's is the largest based on just eyeing it, and also the fact that it was extremely difficult to get it back inside the bottom bearing since the rotor had so much room to flop around.
Yeah, It does, kinda sounds like old MOD motors, but I have only heard the 10.5, and I just ordered one
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Given that the performance is suppose to be "relatively" the same, what do you think are the significant product differentiators that would make someone choose one motor over the other?
Contextual market factors such as local availability is one thing. Also, you can't count out aesthetics and ease of use.
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Wow, the lightest motor out of the bunch... I would think it would be heavier
I wasn't able to weigh the Novak w/o the harness, so its weight may be slightly skewed.
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kinda wish the other two "copied" the Novak design with the solder tabs
The fresh batches of Feigio motors do have the Novak flat plate style solder tabs, the green board with holes is the older style.
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I think they're all going to be really close to be honest. I haven't driven the Novak with the 13mm rotor yet. I did drive the LRP, and I definitely prefer its feel and increase drag brake over the Novak, but I think the 13mm rotor will make the Novak feel the same as the LRP. I imagine other people will do exhaustive testing to see which is better, but at this point, they all seem relatively close.
Interesting. Could you be more specific with regard to "feel"?

Also, what ESC, tx/rx are you using? (Because of the 2.4Ghz factor)

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Interesting. Could you be more specific with regard to "feel"?

Also, what ESC, tx/rx are you using? (Because of the 2.4Ghz factor)

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I'm using a 3PK with the FASST system (2.4Ghz) which I believe doesn't induce any additional lag.

The LRP motor has more cogging, which seems to translate to more magnetic drag brake off throttle. Simply, it seems to slow down (off power) a lot more like a brushed motor, while the Novak motors seemed to roll quite a bit more. Also, the throttle seems to have a more linear, or natural feel, again like a brushed motor. It's not a huge difference, but I definitely found it noticeable, with the LRP being more enjoyable to drive. The ESC was the same in both cases, using the Novak GTB.

The things I've mentioned are exactly what Novak seems to indicate their 13mm rotor "fixes." I'll get around to trying it eventually.

Take this all with a grain of salt, though, and try it for yourself for the ultimate answer. I'm not seasoned pro, so I can only relate my experience at my current skill level. A better (or worse) driver may not notice these things, or care either way.
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Take this all with a grain of salt, though, and try it for yourself for the ultimate answer. I'm not seasoned pro, so I can only relate my experience at my current skill level. A better (or worse) driver may not notice these things, or care either way.
It's all good. Everyone's opinion counts. Plus, it's good to get an idea of what people are looking at when evaluating the motors.

I have a GTB Spread Spectrum and plan to use it with 2.4GHz - and that is why I was asking. Thanks again.
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Brushless SUCKS, it's for retards that can't build up a little electric motor!

Oh, did I step on on your thread syndr0me?

Consider it payback for all the bull...... that real racers have had to put up from you!

Brushed rules!!!!!!!!




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Brushless SUCKS, it's for retards that can't build up a little electric motor!

Oh, did I step on on your thread syndr0me?

Consider it payback for all the bull...... that real racers have had to put up from you!

Brushed rules!!!!!!!!




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Wow, thank you fred, that is about the most useful information I have received since I was watching porno this morning, use spit not lube. While we are at it, CARS SUCK all you people with your fancy easy fast cars killing my horse racing just because you don't have the skill to train one.
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I wasn't able to weigh the Novak w/o the harness, so its weight may be slightly skewed.
I dont think it would make it lighter then the Orion though

But maybe close
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Consider it payback for all the bull...... that real racers have had to put up from you!
I see living in the past doesn't only apply to your choice of motors.

But, alas, it's well-deserved. I'll never escape my checkered past.
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Brushless SUCKS, it's for retards that can't build up a little electric motor!

Oh, did I step on on your thread syndr0me?

Consider it payback for all the bull...... that real racers have had to put up from you!

Brushed rules!!!!!!!!




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I don't think so even didn't use BL before, due i am waiting for allowance using it in stock race of my hometown. Advantage it's just to have more choice to attract more people to join race, some stock race guy with less experience thought BL it's more expensive, that is right, but if they think for the whole season brushed kind it's universally pricey
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As much as I love a good debate, that particular one is a dead, dead horse.
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I see living in the past doesn't only apply to your choice of motors.

But, alas, it's well-deserved. I'll never escape my checkered past.
Iv'e trained horses, did a lot of team roping back in my younger days.
That must be why I build my own stuff.

The slam was all in fun.
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are you talking about the 13.5ss or the 13.5ex from novak?

what I have read, the 13.5ss is way faster then the brush stock but the 13.5ex is pretty similar to a brush stock motor.

in our club, a few people have bought the 13.5ex from novak and we could say that it's just a little bit faster then a good stock brush motor.

now, why do we have to do all those testing...why ROAR don't do his job on brushless motor? it is because all the big motor tuner have too much influence on ROAR
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