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Old 08-09-2007, 05:46 PM   #16
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That 5 cell thread was a train wreck. I actually LOL'd when I read it.
Now the question you need to answer is this: how much did I contribute to the wrecking part? Still going by the way...

Can't fault my dedication though?
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:52 PM   #17
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Now the question you need to answer is this: how much did I contribute to the wrecking part? Still going by the way...

Can't fault my dedication though?
It was long gone before you got there. It was like one guy trying to prop up 5 cells, and the entire Internet suggesting, ahem, another option. It's like we're in 1998 again.

As for 13.5's, just run 'em. It's silly to bust your ass to keep a motor fast when there's a motor out there that'll be fast every single time. And it's not like there's some kind of glamor in cutting comms and replacing brushes, it's dirty, boring work, and no matter how nice your lathe looks, chicks still won't dig it. Move on, the rest of the world has.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:53 PM   #18
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At SIR, they run mixed unless there are enough to make classes of their own.

As it stands, brushed stock motors are faster on the track than the 13.5's. But it could be the drivers partly. Brushless has kinda started as a mentality. "I don't want to work on it". This may be partly similar to the take on car upkeep and setup....

In theory, a brushless SHOULD be faster. 13.5 turns of wire, ball bearings, and better effeciency (so the battery stays at a higher voltage longer).

If brushless 13.5 and brushed stock motors are mixed, then brushed stock motors should be allowed to run BALL BEARINGS!!
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It was long gone before you got there. It was like one guy trying to prop up 5 cells, and the entire Internet suggesting, ahem, another option. It's like we're in 1998 again.

As for 13.5's, just run 'em. It's silly to bust your ass to keep a motor fast when there's a motor out there that'll be fast every single time. And it's not like there's some kind of glamor in cutting comms and replacing brushes, it's dirty, boring work, and no matter how nice your lathe looks, chicks still won't dig it. Move on, the rest of the world has.
Well those chicks must not have seen my lathe before I went brushless. Mine was sexxxy!!

Damn I'm off topic lately...gotta fix that.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:02 PM   #20
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At SIR, they run mixed unless there are enough to make classes of their own.

As it stands, brushed stock motors are faster on the track than the 13.5's. But it could be the drivers partly. Brushless has kinda started as a mentality. "I don't want to work on it". This may be partly similar to the take on car upkeep and setup....

In theory, a brushless SHOULD be faster. 13.5 turns of wire, ball bearings, and better effeciency (so the battery stays at a higher voltage longer).

If brushless 13.5 and brushed stock motors are mixed, then brushed stock motors should be allowed to run BALL BEARINGS!!
I wonder how a brushed stock motor would do with ball berings? That might be closer to bushless

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Well those chicks must not have seen my lathe before I went brushless. Mine was sexxxy!!

Damn I'm off topic lately...gotta fix that.
LOL yeah... Chicks dig my lathe


Also, some people say brusless is more expensive, But DANG is a comm lathe spendy! I think a comm lathe makes up for the cost in brushed to run bl
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:08 PM   #21
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I'll start by saying that I have never run a brushless motor. However I have raced against them, both in stock and mod 1/12. Modified is no big deal. With either you can bolt in way way too much motor so the biggest benefit is no maintenance. That also makes me think why should anyone want to enforce a 5 cell rule? If everyone's running on the ragged edge of 6 (obviously not 1/12) then everyone will just bolt in a faster motor (they will become available) and run the ragged edge of 5 cells. Back to brushless stock... The few times I raced against one was on a tiny track, about 52x30 turning times around 6.5-6.8 seconds. I'll admit, as a new racer to 1/12th I was not quite considered "one of the fast guys." Generally at this track I was about 3 laps off the winning pace. When one of the "fast guys" did put in his 13.5, every single heat and the main I finished within one lap of him and was still 2-3 down from the leaders. That doesn't make me think that the brushless has a significant advantage.
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I must say Im shocked. You say that brushless should be combined with brushed and there is an outcry about how unfair it is. You reverse it and everyone says it is fair.
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In 1/12, there's a much larger difference between the 13.5 and a brushed stock. In sedans, it's there, but significantly smaller.
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There is some thing you all may not be recognizing.

Brushless/sub-c....brushed sub-c...Brushless wins.

Brushless/lipo....brushed sub-c......brushed wins.

Its ll in the battery.???????????????
Nope you have to have the best of both driving and set up and batteries.

You can punch those sub-c's out to some outrageous volts and the lipos will just slug a long running stock 27t motors.
In stock the advantage is sub-c. Unless the race is 10 or 15 minutes long.

That should start some controversy.

Oh and one more thing does any one really want to go slower with a17.5.??
Now we have 2 stockers in brushless WTH.
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Brushless/sub-c....brushed sub-c...Brushless wins.

Brushless/lipo....brushed sub-c......brushed wins.
We are allowing Brushless and Brush at the Bass Pro Series and have had some top drivers show up... I completely agree with your statment above and the results show it. The track is has about 700 to 900 foot run line and we change the layout every month (each race) lap times range from 15s to 22s depending on how we setup the track... Same results each time... Sub C are the key, not Brush vs. brushless...
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We are allowing Brushless and Brush at the Bass Pro Series and have had some top drivers show up... I completely agree with your statment above and the results show it. The track is has about 700 to 900 foot run line and we change the layout every month (each race) lap times range from 15s to 22s depending on how we setup the track... Same results each time... Sub C are the key, not Brush vs. brushless...
Nice to read you there bvolt. That confirms it for me and i know you do your home work. I've seen it many times.
I do say run'em together though. I really believe it will all find its way sooner or later.
I'm skeptical about where the 17.5 will fit into all this. I see a lot of controversy coming. If they can get them to sell.?
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"Brushless/lipo....brushed sub-c......brushed wins."

I think so, if they are in the same weight, sub/c are matched batt., and brushed motor are always be cared to best performance.
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If brushless 13.5 and brushed stock motors are mixed, then brushed stock motors should be allowed to run BALL BEARINGS!!
or

get a 13.5 brushless....

get with it Cj ...
last Sunday I watched Chris beat Scott with a brushless Ae !!!

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