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Old 05-06-2003, 05:10 PM   #16
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Say what.. Have you ever looked at a Trinity Chamelean 19 turn spec. motor?It's a p2k2 can,I dont know who told you this BS about mod motor arms not working in a stock can,trust me on this you can put a mod arm in a stock can and wire it the same as you allways have pos to pos,neg to neg.Unless you have a rev.wind arm(some dual motor trucks used them)But an arm is an arm and for your info a mod wind is the same as a stock wind.(as far as direction goes)I worked for Rev Tech winding mod motors back in the late 80s.Sorry Dude your wrong.
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19t arms dont work well in "stock" cans. The arms are wound differently from 19t to ROAR stock. if you make one, then you have to reverse the wires for power. + red cable to - terminal, and - blue cable to + terminal. The difference is how the wire is wrapped at the comm. A hemispherical versus cross wind changes the direction the motor turns.
The cross wind vs. hemi wind is irrelevant to the current's direction and thus the rotational direction.

All a cross wind (aka Tamiya Wind) does is, instead of going straight up to the tab and going straight across it, it loops BACKWARD through it, crossing itself to go to the next set of winds. The wire is still travelling in the same direction, it only gets connected to the comm being looped. It's completely irrelevant to direction - but it IS somewhat less efficient, which is why Mods don't do it.

ROAR and NORRCA rules dictate a cross-wound pattern for stock motors.
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Old 05-06-2003, 05:49 PM   #18
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That's funny..like they would ever know,ever been through a Roar or Norrca tech?They dont have the time to start checking for minor stuff like that,I think they are looking for..say a 19wind in a stock can.I would think that a minor "mistake" such as that would not matter much.I have been to alot of Roar and Norrca "big" races and have never seen them catch anything motor wise.But it must really suck to be that racer that needs to cheat to win.I mean whats the point in a win that you got by cheating.I would rather lose and play it straight than cheat and win.
You've never run against them, then. If it's done right, it's noticeable.

You've never run IN those races, then.

2001 Norrca nationals, Las Vegas. Something like 9 people got booted for running illegal motors. Some were 19T in a stock can, but a couple were different stock arms in wrong cans, such as a GM3 in a P2K can.
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Yes it's easy to tell the people who are cheating by the sound the motor.I have also seen motors where racers have replaced the bottom bushing with a bearing,removed winds on a stock motor.Their are sooo many ways to cheat.And for your questions,have i run against "cheaters",I would have to say yes,I have also run quite a few Nats,(4 off road,5 dirt oval,3 on road,and to many regional races to remember)In fact I probably raced with you at the state race at showtime this year.Tech is only as good as the people that are running them.
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Old 05-06-2003, 07:25 PM   #20
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Guys;

You should hear my Monster Stock whistle as it goes down a long straight. "Sounds" like a 19T, too bad it doesn't run like one.
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Yes it's easy to tell the people who are cheating by the sound the motor.I have also seen motors where racers have replaced the bottom bushing with a bearing,removed winds on a stock motor.Their are sooo many ways to cheat.And for your questions,have i run against "cheaters",I would have to say yes,I have also run quite a few Nats,(4 off road,5 dirt oval,3 on road,and to many regional races to remember)In fact I probably raced with you at the state race at showtime this year.Tech is only as good as the people that are running them.
You likely did - I ran only 1/10th Pan. Just didn't feel like trying for more on a single day race.
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You should hear my Monster Stock whistle as it goes down a long straight. "Sounds" like a 19T, too bad it doesn't run like one.
Mine does too, it's really cool. I know a guy that really did make one go like a 19T, but he's sponsored by Fantom...
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