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Old 07-14-2007, 02:17 AM
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for example the bumper supports are all plastic while the evo4 or 5 is carbon fiber. the servo mounts are plastic which can easily be replaced with aluminum ones. the diff and spools have cheaper materials. the center diff is a bit different. all of these components can be upgraded, which i think tamiya wants them to be. i really like the aluminum bulkheads and motor mount. the chassis is top notch. i'd say you get what you pay for on the ta05ms and it's a very good chassis from what i see. i would say upgrade the screws and you have a very serious contender out there. i'm sure it can put a few evo and 415 owners to shame. i'm not a big racer myself because i build them, run them a few times and put them on the shelf because i got other chassis' to mess around with.
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however my ta05ms will be using square racing parts soon...so nothing to worry about here's a pic of my evo 4, trf414m2, ta05R 3 racing ssg conversion, trf415msx mre.

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for example the bumper supports are all plastic while the evo4 or 5 is carbon fiber. the servo mounts are plastic which can easily be replaced with aluminum ones. the diff and spools have cheaper materials. the center diff is a bit different. all of these components can be upgraded, which i think tamiya wants them to be. i really like the aluminum bulkheads and motor mount. the chassis is top notch. i'd say you get what you pay for on the ta05ms and it's a very good chassis from what i see. i would say upgrade the screws and you have a very serious contender out there. i'm sure it can put a few evo and 415 owners to shame. i'm not a big racer myself because i build them, run them a few times and put them on the shelf because i got other chassis' to mess around with.
ahh... so basically are the pastic servo and bumper holders ... don't know about the diffs, I have really to compare MSXX and MS side to side... they seem equal to me, but need to check. About one-way, perhaps you're right
the spur gear holder seems very solid to me I like it so far... and I like the stabiliser holders a lot, much more than the MSXX ones (actually I've changed the MSXX ones by cyclone ones)

by the way, I run champ aluminum/titanium screws on all my kits!!!
but don't worry, I will test the car with 5cell brushless 3.5r very soon... I have everything ready to be bolted on the chassis, as soon as I finished prepping the chassis.

will do a report on that soon, the only problem is that here in Madrid we're expecting 40 degrees celcius at the shadow this weekend, so don't know if I will be capable of getting out the house to go racing....
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Old 07-14-2007, 06:22 AM
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cant wait for it sir...
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Originally Posted by MrJames View Post
the diff and spools have cheaper materials. the center diff is a bit different.
I just finished mine and I don't see a difference in the materials used in the diff and the one way compared to my MSX (don't know what the MSXX has to offer). Does anyone know if the Tamiya part 53875 (aluminium servo stay) will fit on the MS?

I think the TA05MS is a pretty complete kit (besides carbon bumper support and aluminium servo mount). You have aluminium uprights and turnbuckles from the start. My Evo IV came with steel turnbuckles and plastic uprights. I will be getting a screw kit from Champ as well (seems that aluminium & titanium is currently out of stock).
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It seems that both trf415 msxx and 05 ms has their own performance... both kit are very competitive... I think it will now depend on the driver...
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Old 07-14-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Xanavi_R34 View Post
It seems that both trf415 msxx and 05 ms has their own performance... both kit are very competitive... I think it will now depend on the driver...
both are great cars just get one and set it up right and you are good to go. by the way if you need to compete at a higher level please charge at the range of 5-6amps. no matter how good you drive. you will not survie the WAR
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both are great cars just get one and set it up right and you are good to go. by the way if you need to compete at a higher level please charge at the range of 5-6amps. no matter how good you drive. you will not survie the WAR
yup... I will... but for now, I'm just waiting for any of the kit to come here in our country... hopefully by this month...

Thanks for the tip about AMP rate, I think I will stick with my 3A-4A only for winning isn't my goal but FUN!
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Old 07-14-2007, 11:21 AM
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the ta05ms MAY be the future, but the msxx is at the current top, 2007 reedy....
It usually takes a few tries to get the cars 'perfect' look at all the 415 versions
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MSXX la !
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Originally Posted by JayL View Post
the ta05ms MAY be the future, but the msxx is at the current top, 2007 reedy....
It usually takes a few tries to get the cars 'perfect' look at all the 415 versions
you hit the nail on this one. tamiya wanted to make this car very tunable and left many options on the table. perhaps even a ta05msx might even follow. who knows. wait till a few pro drivers mess around with the ta05ms and tune it the way they like it and people will follow.
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I know its kinda weird but out of the blue, I don't know which kit to get... they are both beautiful bling... and their performance seems to be very close when it comes to racing high speed... with lots of corners... but high speed corners...
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Xanavi,

I am just about finished with building the TA05MS and just by looking at how it is designed, from a performance perspective, I can pretty confidently tell you that it builds upon the strengths of the original TA05 and diminishes its weaknesses.

Over the course of about 2 years of owning the original TA05, I've recognized that it has excellent corner entry characteristics; it turns on a dime without sacrificing stability. What I observed as the main weaknesses are 1) overall weight 2) left and right weight distribution 3) corner exit/acceleration. The MS version has reduced weight, relocates the battery for better L/R weight distribution, and has a shorter rear belt plus a slightly more rear mounted motor for better acceleration characteristics. But since the car is brand new and untested, I don't know to what extent these modifications actually help the chassis' performance.

Before I preordered the TA05MS, I went through the same dilemma as you. I was thinking about getting a MSXX for a while, but I couldn't resist the TA05MS once I saw it. I was already probably biased though, since I already had a TA05 and had grown fond of it.

Good luck making your decision!

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Originally Posted by HI_808 View Post
Xanavi,

I am just about finished with building the TA05MS and just by looking at how it is designed, from a performance perspective, I can pretty confidently tell you that it builds upon the strengths of the original TA05 and diminishes its weaknesses.

Over the course of about 2 years of owning the original TA05, I've recognized that it has excellent corner entry characteristics; it turns on a dime without sacrificing stability. What I observed as the main weaknesses are 1) overall weight 2) left and right weight distribution 3) corner exit/acceleration. The MS version has reduced weight, relocates the battery for better L/R weight distribution, and has a shorter rear belt plus a slightly more rear mounted motor for better acceleration characteristics. But since the car is brand new and untested, I don't know to what extent these modifications actually help the chassis' performance.

Before I preordered the TA05MS, I went through the same dilemma as you. I was thinking about getting a MSXX for a while, but I couldn't resist the TA05MS once I saw it. I was already probably biased though, since I already had a TA05 and had grown fond of it.

Good luck making your decision!

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I agrre with you, in terms of battery placement and overall weight and distribution... tough question, that's why I have them all, trf415msxx, ta05MS and an hibrid tamiya/xenon over the ta05 platform... !!!


anyway, blue is better... hehehe
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Hello everyone!
I'm also debating on a msxx or a 05ms. Can't seem to keep up with the msxx, TC5, and JRXtypeR at the local track with my 05R. When I got to drive their cars, I was like "wow, can it be this different?" After that, I tried many setups to try and make the 05 handle like them, but just can't. Out of curiosity, I borrowed my friends msxx for a race, and came in second.

So my quest for an endgame chassis begun. Can someone help me some msxx vs 05MS questions?

1. Which is lighter?
2. how much difference is there in the battery position from the center?
3. Anyone drive their 05MS yet?

Thanks
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