Should manufacturers be prevented from sponsoring stock brushless drivers?
07-01-2007, 02:30 PM
#16
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I would love to be able to race in a 13.5 stock brushless class- without sponsored drivers but with nearly maintenance free motors.( also with lipos, but that's a whole other kettle of fish) Don
07-01-2007, 02:34 PM
#17
If you could come up with a way to put a tamper proof seal on the motor and non-reprogramable speedo into the stock BL class it would work.
But that would kill any chance of BL and brushed running together.
Then what would happen to all the motor builders, stock tunning is their bread and butter?
No way of stopping the back-door sponsorships though.
Say Micro wanted to race stock BL and called you for a motor and speedo,
Would you say NO ?
But that would kill any chance of BL and brushed running together.
Then what would happen to all the motor builders, stock tunning is their bread and butter?
No way of stopping the back-door sponsorships though.
Say Micro wanted to race stock BL and called you for a motor and speedo,
Would you say NO ?
07-01-2007, 02:36 PM
#18
Originally Posted by DLS II
I would love to be able to race in a 13.5 stock brushless class- without sponsored drivers but with nearly maintenance free motors.( also with lipos, but that's a whole other kettle of fish) Don
07-01-2007, 02:44 PM
#19
(sponsored drivers) some are surely faster than others.. motor builders don't bother me.. heck they provide a service that after oem pricing is not a bad deal.. you can buy a worked motor from most, for less than you can build it yourself. the one i chatted with yesterday, said most of what will be going on is cherrypicking, and from that standpoint they are just eliminating the duds for me, for a small premium or none (depending on oem pricing).. int's not like the brushed motors where we needed to buy a new one every race.. one fast brusless is going to be fast a loooooong time..
07-01-2007, 02:53 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by C_O_jones
If you could come up with a way to put a tamper proof seal on the motor and non-reprogramable speedo into the stock BL class it would work.
No problem, if that were required to help the growth of stock racing.
But that would kill any chance of BL and brushed running together.
I was specifically commenting on BL Stock racing, not mixed.
Then what would happen to all the motor builders, stock tunning is their bread and butter?
No reason to think separate, stock brush events involving sponsored drivers would decline. In fact preventing BL stock sponsorships might prolong its life.
No way of stopping the back-door sponsorships though.
How about challenging companies and their drivers for unethical behavior, if they flaunt accepted guidelines.
Say Micro wanted to race stock BL and called you for a motor and speedo,
Would you say NO ?
Under guidelines preventing Stock BL sponsorships---absolutely!
No problem, if that were required to help the growth of stock racing.
But that would kill any chance of BL and brushed running together.
I was specifically commenting on BL Stock racing, not mixed.
Then what would happen to all the motor builders, stock tunning is their bread and butter?
No reason to think separate, stock brush events involving sponsored drivers would decline. In fact preventing BL stock sponsorships might prolong its life.
No way of stopping the back-door sponsorships though.
How about challenging companies and their drivers for unethical behavior, if they flaunt accepted guidelines.
Say Micro wanted to race stock BL and called you for a motor and speedo,
Would you say NO ?
Under guidelines preventing Stock BL sponsorships---absolutely!
07-01-2007, 03:01 PM
#22
Originally Posted by Advil
A totally "Tamper Free" motor and speedo combination????? Combined with an absolute restriction on sponsorships, battery, motor or otherwise.....
this is something that has possibilities.
this is something that has possibilities.
they used to call it "spec" racing.. it was great..
07-01-2007, 03:10 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Advil
A totally "Tamper Free" motor and speedo combination????? Combined with an absolute restriction on sponsorships, battery, motor or otherwise.....
this is something that has possibilities.
this is something that has possibilities.
The Novak BL speed controllers can be programmed by the user (and you probably wouldn't want to eliminate that feature!), but they have never been "re-programmed" by a hacker adding special features.
07-01-2007, 03:18 PM
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Brushless racing will not generate more racers. Just because we strap in brushless motors does not mean we're suddenly exposing racing to a whole new audience.
Racing needs to get out in front of people to attract new blood, regardless of which class it is.
Limiting sponsorship on a national level is bogus. I can see clubs saying no sponsored guys running in their 13.5 class...but that's lame as well. What's the point? You're pretty much saying "once you get really good at driving we want you to leave."
Racing needs to get out in front of people to attract new blood, regardless of which class it is.
Limiting sponsorship on a national level is bogus. I can see clubs saying no sponsored guys running in their 13.5 class...but that's lame as well. What's the point? You're pretty much saying "once you get really good at driving we want you to leave."
07-01-2007, 03:31 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Desolas
Brushless racing will not generate more racers. Just because we strap in brushless motors does not mean we're suddenly exposing racing to a whole new audience.
Maybe some of the old drivers will return if they think there's a level playing field.
Racing needs to get out in front of people to attract new blood, regardless of which class it is.
Agreed--but this has been needed for 15 yers.
Limiting sponsorship on a national level is bogus.
Not commenting on national ROAR-type racing.
I can see clubs saying no sponsored guys running in their 13.5 class...but that's lame as well.
If tracks want new customers to continue racing (and shopping) perhaps they have to consider some "lame" ideas.
What's the point? You're pretty much saying "once you get really good at driving we want you to leave."
Why should un-sponsored stock BL racers leave. If they enjoy stock, why leave?
Maybe some of the old drivers will return if they think there's a level playing field.
Racing needs to get out in front of people to attract new blood, regardless of which class it is.
Agreed--but this has been needed for 15 yers.
Limiting sponsorship on a national level is bogus.
Not commenting on national ROAR-type racing.
I can see clubs saying no sponsored guys running in their 13.5 class...but that's lame as well.
If tracks want new customers to continue racing (and shopping) perhaps they have to consider some "lame" ideas.
What's the point? You're pretty much saying "once you get really good at driving we want you to leave."
Why should un-sponsored stock BL racers leave. If they enjoy stock, why leave?
07-01-2007, 03:35 PM
#26
...way back in the old NORRCA days - this was addressed by having a 'SPORTSMAN' vs an 'EXPERT' class separation.
Although there were gray areas where some discounted sponsorships creeped in, the basic rule was simple
SPONSORED - No Sportsman Class Participation PERIOD, No SPONSOR Decals, No Sponsors LISTED on Race Results, and anyone caught claiming a sponsor in any type of ad, or even mentioning that they ran company specific products those drivers were taken out of the SPORTMAN class.
If a company can not benefit from being able to advertise a product winning a race at ANY level, it takes the benefit of them sponsoring that driver away....and it also takes some of the pressure off the other racers who do not have or wish to have sponsors.
IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED SPONSORS TO RACE - RACE AGAINST THE PROS WHO ARE SPONSORED~~!!!!!
Although there were gray areas where some discounted sponsorships creeped in, the basic rule was simple
SPONSORED - No Sportsman Class Participation PERIOD, No SPONSOR Decals, No Sponsors LISTED on Race Results, and anyone caught claiming a sponsor in any type of ad, or even mentioning that they ran company specific products those drivers were taken out of the SPORTMAN class.
If a company can not benefit from being able to advertise a product winning a race at ANY level, it takes the benefit of them sponsoring that driver away....and it also takes some of the pressure off the other racers who do not have or wish to have sponsors.
IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED SPONSORS TO RACE - RACE AGAINST THE PROS WHO ARE SPONSORED~~!!!!!
07-01-2007, 04:04 PM
#28
The thing with today's "stock" motors is finding that magic brush/spring combination, along with truing the comm to that perfect size.
Brushless eliminates all that. No more having the new trick brushes you can only get from one source, or some crazy combination of springs. There may be things you can do to a brushless, but they're less effective. You can buy one motor and know it's as good as any other.
And stop with the speed control software. No software change is going to make the motor faster (unless the old software was crap). You could change braking and stuff which may make the car work better, but the motor speed will be the same.
Brushless eliminates all that. No more having the new trick brushes you can only get from one source, or some crazy combination of springs. There may be things you can do to a brushless, but they're less effective. You can buy one motor and know it's as good as any other.
And stop with the speed control software. No software change is going to make the motor faster (unless the old software was crap). You could change braking and stuff which may make the car work better, but the motor speed will be the same.
07-01-2007, 05:12 PM
#29
Manufacturer's should not have to be prevented from sponsoring stock drivers. They should choose not to do it.
07-01-2007, 05:16 PM
#30
i don't think anybody believes brushless are the magic pill that will bring in throngs of new racers, we think it will HELP to keep them in the hobby once here.. it's working for me.. what will bring in new racers? getting out of the shadows, the alleys, the back lots, and offering some fun and excitement with good people doing something they genuinely enjoy.. not having to swallow a thousand dollar pill to get started would help...
