R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-18-2007, 09:29 AM   #211
Tech Master
 
hobbipro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: West Palm Beach
Posts: 1,326
Trader Rating: 21 (100%+)
Default

What will go 6v exactly? Just TC's? While the rest of the hobby from boats, offroad, even R/C tanks are all 6 cells. Now hobby shops will need to stock 5 cell packs just for their "specialty" customers who race TC. The shops around me sell a variety of R/C items.....planes, boats, heli's. I really dont see them stocking up on 5 cell packs since the majority around here is nitro anyway. Just asking for a nail in the coffin if you ask me. I can see more problems going 6v then just staying with 6 cell packs.
Agreed, we need to get on Orion/Peaks butt to get some rules written first then after everythings ironed out packs can be submitted. If Novak can get it done a large company like orion, or Kokam can do it.
hobbipro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:30 AM   #212
Tech Legend
 
Wild Cherry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: TRCR Modified Driver
Posts: 22,595
Default

cus there is no need for lower voltage pack`s...
__________________
Any driver can copy a great set up, a Champion however will steal it .
If Jesus returned as a Rc car he be a Rc10 B5M
George W. Cherry

Last edited by Wild Cherry; 05-18-2007 at 09:42 AM.
Wild Cherry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:32 AM   #213
Tech Master
 
hobbipro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: West Palm Beach
Posts: 1,326
Trader Rating: 21 (100%+)
Default

Its already been disscussed they wont work in 1/12th.....kinda beating a dead horse. So you'd dissallow then just for that reason? Come on. No one here has suggested that lipo replace NiMh, just give use more power options. I dont see any die hard 1/12 racers who solely race 1/12th saying ban them.
hobbipro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:35 AM   #214
Tech Elite
 
squarehead's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
Posts: 4,211
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to squarehead Send a message via MSN to squarehead Send a message via Yahoo to squarehead Send a message via Skype™ to squarehead
Default

It's not ROAR's responsibility to make sure that the cars on the market will fit or adapt to what they approve. It's ROAR's responsibility to make sure that they have the best interests of the racers and the future of racing in mind.

So what you're saying is, because SOME cars can't be modified easily or adapted to fit some of these packs, then NONE of the battery technology should be considered for legalization? Gotcha.

How soon we forget that the dimensions of NiCd and NiMh cells have grown a LOT in the last 20 years, in weight, width and length, and each time ROAR has adapted and changed their rules and limits to accommodate the new cells. A car designed in 1992 for a 2000mah cell will not handle a new 4200mah cell without modifications, just as some cars currently won't handle many LiPo packs. That is changing, though, and soon a LOT more cars will be very friendly to various battery types.

Hell, Custom Works still sells dirt oval kits with battery trays that won't hold anything larger than a 3300mah cell, let alone a LiPo pack. But, cars like the TC5, JRXS-R and Schumacher Mi3 are all designed with LiPo packs in mind, and many more will follow.



Again, those who want to run LiPo packs will buy cars that are being designed with these packs in mind, and those who want to run NiMh packs won't have to worry about it. Just because YOUR car doesn't fit the packs is not a good reason to not allow them.





And PLEASE... MUTE is a button on your TV remote so you can hear your wife complaining that you didnt take out the garbage. MOOT is the word describing a pointless debate—which this one might very well be.
__________________
Everything depends.
Nothing is always.
Everything is sometimes.
squarehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:39 AM   #215
Tech Master
 
Orange's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,277
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbipro
What will go 6v exactly? Just TC's? While the rest of the hobby from boats, offroad, even R/C tanks are all 6 cells. Now hobby shops will need to stock 5 cell packs just for their "specialty" customers who race TC. The shops around me sell a variety of R/C items.....planes, boats, heli's. I really dont see them stocking up on 5 cell packs since the majority around here is nitro anyway. Just asking for a nail in the coffin if you ask me. I can see more problems going 6v then just staying with 6 cell packs.
Agreed, we need to get on Orion/Peaks butt to get some rules written first then after everythings ironed out packs can be submitted. If Novak can get it done a large company like orion, or Kokam can do it.
The trend is already starting to hit Offroad as well.

BTW, I own a hobby shop and would have no problem stocking 5 cell packs.

Just because rules for racing are changed does not mean that 6 cells goes away forever... The market is still huge for 6 cells even if a racing organization goes to 5. You have to remember that our racing community only accomodates about 4-7 percent of the hobby.

Last edited by Orange; 05-18-2007 at 09:50 AM.
Orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:41 AM   #216
Tech Fanatic
 
Scrubb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 834
Default

Quote:
What offroad cars dont they fit in??
Jconcepts BJ4x4 Worlds edition, Yokomo kits, the Hpi D4, Slim4. I suppose you could use a Maxamps 4400 or 5500mah pack, but then how do you make fair rules for batteries like Orions 3200 and 4800, and the Maxamps saddle packs? Totally different capacities and dimensions. If you put a capacity limit based on the Orion battery, what about the guys that already bought 6000 and 8000mah?
Scrubb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:41 AM   #217
Tech Master
 
Orange's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,277
Default

XX4 (Still used)
Orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:49 AM   #218
Tech Lord
 
syndr0me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 5280 Raceway
Posts: 13,140
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

This entire thread is moot. Too bad half the people in it aren't mute.

We should just rename it the "How to use misinformation and ulterior motives to argue against LiPo" thread.
syndr0me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:51 AM   #219
Tech Master
 
Orange's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,277
Default

I am not against LiPo, I just wish it was a little more flexible to accomodate the ever changing face of racing. Thats all.
Orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 09:51 AM   #220
Tech Elite
 
squarehead's Avatar
R/C Tech Charter Subscriber
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
Posts: 4,211
Trader Rating: 75 (100%+)
Send a message via AIM to squarehead Send a message via MSN to squarehead Send a message via Yahoo to squarehead Send a message via Skype™ to squarehead
Default

Good points, but a capacity limit has little bearing on LiPo packs unless the race lengths are drastically increased, because at this point, they will ALL drastically outlast a NiMh pack. An 8000mah pack just allows less charging during a race day.


And cars like the Slim4 and BJ4we (they fit in the non World's car still available for purchase), are such a very small percentage of a very small faction of racing, it's a moot market to cater to in the bigger picture of all racing. Between 1/12th scale carpet and obscure 4wd buggies that run saddle packs (of which I own one mentioned), you are proposing disallowing ALL potential LiPo packs because of a few thousand cars in the country.

Not exactly reasonable, in my opinion.
__________________
Everything depends.
Nothing is always.
Everything is sometimes.
squarehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 10:09 AM   #221
Tech Lord
 
syndr0me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 5280 Raceway
Posts: 13,140
Trader Rating: 32 (100%+)
Default

The onus will be on the niche cars that don't fit LiPo to change to accommodate them, not the other way around.

The nice thing is, if LiPo is approved for mixed racing, they'll have a choice, and time to change. Nobody is saying kill NiMH, they're just saying give people the choice of using LiPo. Consumers will decide if they prefer it, and if they do, chassis makers will make changes accordingly to make sure they're still viable in their market.

That's it. Nobody is trying to pry NiMH away from you. Please, continue to use it, love it and enjoy it. But don't deny people the choice of using something different simply because it's not something you're interested in. We don't all think alike, and we're not all content to use the same old thing when there's other, more convenient options available.
syndr0me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 10:10 AM   #222
Tech Fanatic
 
Scrubb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 834
Default

I'm not saying to disallow all of them, I'm saying legalize what is fair for all the classes. There just isn't one currently. To the fault of the lipo manufacturers, not ROAR or anybody that uses Nimh.

No, the niche cars followed the rules, LIPO has to adapt.
Scrubb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 10:13 AM   #223
Tech Master
 
Orange's Avatar
R/C Tech Elite Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,277
Default

Capacity is not the problem, voltage is.

ROAR does not limit capacity, they simply approve what is submitted. As long as it meets the required size specifications, all is well.

Syndr0me: I don't think that anyone within ROAR doesn't want it, I think that they need better education of it so that they no how and what to implement into rules. This is where the manufacturers need to step up to the plate and pitch in. It has nothing to do with basically any of what is being said here.
Orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 10:13 AM   #224
Tech Elite
 
Leodis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,058
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by syndr0me
Even if LiPo doesn't get legalized for sanctioned racing soon, allowing people to use it in clubs so they don't burn through their expensive race packs is a great first step. I understand it'll take a while for very competitive racing, but allowing it to do the heavy lifting in the clubs isn't a terrible idea.
Exactly. Many people, including me, had to beg and plead to run BL at the club level. Fast forward 2 years and EVERYONE is running BL at the local track. It's the same deal with lipo. They were recently OK'd for practicing at the local track so people could test them and not abuse their expensive NIMH racing packs. If all goes well, Orion/Peak lipos will be OK'd for racing soon. Fast forward two years and EVERYONE will probably be running lipos.

This is currently happening all over the country so the question really is: Will ROAR approve them in 2009 or 2010? I'm thinking 2008 is a lost cause. I think ROAR should keep BL and Lipo out of stock and allow BL and Lipo in mod. Stock can become the vintage class and mod can be at the cutting edge of all the new technology, which is how it should be. Local clubs can make up their own rules and if BL 13.5/Lipo becomes really popular, that might force ROAR to offer vintage stock and stock classes.
Leodis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2007, 10:26 AM   #225
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,570
Trader Rating: 26 (96%+)
Default

How is a company like peak or orion going to iron out rules if they have no basis to go by. If you want to promote a class then start running it. Most local tracks will let you run it if there is enough for a class. If you want to run lipo then find 4 or so other guys to run it with you and get a local class started. Persnaly I am not a big fan of the orion/peak packs. The best way to make the class grow is to highlight the extreme advantages of the product, the orion/peak packs don't high light this. You can run 3 heats and a 20 minute main w/ an 8k mah pack. I am sure that if people could show up and run a novak gtb 3.5 for 3 five minute heats and then run a 20 minute main w/out any battery and motor maintanance at all then the class would grow in a hurry. Now, this is just in the winter. Now, when the summer rolls around everyone still has a shiny bl system, a shiny 8k mah lipo pack and an itch to race some more. So, are more people more likely going to drop 1.2k+ on a new buggy setup or go and drop $400 on a new 1/10th scale setup?
party_wagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NIP Novak 5amp lipo regulator with volt monitor, NIP venom 1600mah lipo rx pack sharkman R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 1 06-10-2008 02:36 PM
LIPO CHARGER LIKE HYPERION AND LIPO BATTS AND MAYBE CHEAP 12TH SCALE jslider R/C Items: Wanted to Buy 1 02-16-2008 07:55 AM
FS TrakPower 7.4V 4900MAH Hardshell Lipo,TrakPowerBalancer,TrinityReference 4500 Lipo ffpm46 R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 11 01-29-2008 06:11 PM
Lipo legalization Patriiick Singapore R/C Racers 10 01-18-2008 03:49 AM
Pg 2 on Complete Sellout Motor rebuild Orion Lipo, peak Lipo 4800 and more gunlocators R/C Items: For Sale/Trade 18 10-08-2007 02:11 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 04:46 AM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net