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Old 04-23-2007, 11:44 PM   #46
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Urban mith...zappers can not save magnets that already been overheated and the zappers are just for the weak minded that think its really working..

True story..
I'll have to take your word on that one.
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:45 PM   #47
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How is that ironic? If you're gonna break the rules, or try to rewrite them, go all the way...
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:48 PM   #48
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How is that ironic? If you're gonna break the rules, or try to rewrite them, go all the way...
No NO No thats not it.

Its the cost of brass these days.
Bearings are to keep the cost down now.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:02 AM   #49
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just on your basic calculation, sure you add the (probably very conservative) 23c on the cost on the motor, but you also need to take out the cost of the bushings..

So what s the "real" increase then ??
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It's hard to believe that ball bearing does not have any improvement on performance vs brushing. It if is true, why a car on full ball bearing run significantly faster than the same car run on brushing only (the run time are also longer with ball bearing too)
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:25 AM   #51
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Is it time to re-evaluate the stock motor rules?

If ballbearings would make the motors more reliable or at the very least require less maintenance or run cooler but not substantially increase performance or cost, why not allow them?

The 19T option is an interesting alternative, but it's probably too fast these days for most entry level racers.
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Old 04-24-2007, 06:46 AM   #52
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In my opinion it is time to re-evaluate the rules but not for ball bearings. I would like to see the stock motor go back to the closed can and make them painfully slow. This would be the class that is low cost for people just starting. Then have the stock brushless spec class that the people running stock today would likely migrate to. But thats just my opinion and very unlikely to happen.
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I'll have to take your word on that one.
9 times out of 10 the zapper will kill the motor if the guy doesnt know what he is doing.

The question of the day is....

"How many titles have been won in the stock class were a magnet zapper was used?"

I dont know any TOP MOTOR Tuners that have ever lugged around a zapper to make there stockers better, if you never overheat them they run the same as new every time..

Keep the change..
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9 times out of 10 the zapper will kill the motor if the guy doesnt know what he is doing.

The question of the day is....

"How many titles have been won in the stock class were a magnet zapper was used?"

I dont know any TOP MOTOR Tuners that have ever lugged around a zapper to make there stockers better, if you never overheat them they run the same as new every time..

Keep the change..
Yo Dawg, Eric Andersen brings his zapper to the track. He zapped my can in FL. Uses it all the time.
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Yo Dawg, Eric Andersen brings his zapper to the track. He zapped my can in FL. Uses it all the time.
I said top tuners dude...lol....

How did you end up?

I love Eric but I think zappers are a gimic..
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Yeah, my motor seemed to be running weird, and he said by looking at the way it was centering in the can, that the magnetic field was probably off due to a hit, etc. I'm not sold on zapping, but he swears by it. Mainly a fix when there is something wrong, not for performance advantage because as you know it only gets the magnets back to where they started, not an increase. Anyways, at the Minnreg Race, I won stock rubber, 3rd stock foam.
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CAlbrecht - At the Nats in FL I saw just about every motor tuner come in an out of a certian trailer that had a zapper in it. At the Snowbirds....well lets just say for a week in Feb...every compass in the South East US points to Orlando
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CAlbrecht - At the Nats in FL I saw just about every motor tuner come in an out of a certian trailer that had a zapper in it. At the Snowbirds....well lets just say for a week in Feb...every compass in the South East US points to Orlando
It will never stop until a power output standard and rpm limit is created for stock motor`s ...

Sigh......

It will never happen .
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We made need to clear up what he meant? I think he meant it wont work on a magnet that is already heated to the smoking point.

We have a racer at our track that has one and it will renew the power for about 4 runs. He tests the magnet with some sort of gizzmo and then after words.
It does read out more magnetizing.
But a motor that is over cooked I have never tried.

I don't really think they are over rated for the fast guys though, or to any one that can afford one.
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I love Eric but I think zappers are a gimic..
maybe is because you were using a ERP magnet zapper I had the Team Thunder Zapper and it does work
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