Tsquare

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The goal was to control costs in an entry level class - Unfortunatley, I do not think it really worked out that way. To much engine tinkering going on. I think the only way a cost efficient class can exist is if it is a closed can motor.

Boomer

T- when the stockers were closed-can, I spent a LOT more - either you used a stock can lathe (where you had to pull off one part of the endbell. . .pain) or you (illegally) popped the endbell off to cut the comm OR you just used a comm stick and tossed the motor after you burned it up.

I believe stock motors last much longer now that we can cut the comms regularly and, now, just skim them rather than really dig at them. . .

None of which speaks to bearings vs. bushings.

Unregistered

I agree that there is very little if any performance gain from bearings in stock. I also agree that we need to keep things as cheap as possible for the beginners. Stock should be a beginner class (and slower).

I can't see how 50 cents worth of bearings (2 cheap bearings) can add more than a buck to the stock motor cost. If I can get bearings that cheap then the motor companies can.

In the end, there are bigger fish to fry other than stockers with bearings.

CarbonJoe

"And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State."

Oh, and you can get Boca bearings at HobbyTown for $0.99 each *retail* (quantity 1), so I fail to see how adding bearings to stock motors would really change the price at all. But do they really last longer in a motor than bushings? Do you get more RPM from bearings than bushings? Why don't 19T motors come with bushings? Inquiring minds want to know...

Oh, and McSmooth, I really think your new avatar is *worse* that that one of the human colon

or8ital

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I wasnt asking that it be changed. I was just wondering why. Thanks everyone for the responses.

McSmooth

Maybe that's who the colon belongs to.....

edseb

I already explained this one, but you have to understand manufacturing. If bushings vs. bearings increases $1, then we are talking about quite a significant number in it's affect on percentages. If you add 5% to cost of manufacturing, that's a lot when it trickles down through wholesale, distribution, retail, etc. It isn't just our RC Industry, it's how all manufacturing is, and if anything I would guess that the margins are fairly small compared to other industries of the same volume, so the affect would be large.

edseb

delete, double post

cvt01

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Rick,

orion used to offer a version of the core stock with bearings I don't recall how much was the price difference though... it very well might have been around $10...

or8ital

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Someone already posted it was like a $.23 difference. So if everyone that touches it add 5% and it changed hands 5 times then that is like
$.29 more.

Again, I wasnt looking for that level of detail. Was just trying to understand the history of it.

or8ital

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On the other hand Trinity sells the Epic X for 35 and the Epic XX for 44.99 so apparently they think its an $11 difference.

edseb

No, you have to take that $.23 percentage from overall manufacturing costs and multiply that each step as well. So it's exponential from the first step...uh I think we are getting off on a tangent, but the final affect is significant.

or8ital

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No I dont think that is correct. The .23 plus a % isnt added along the way. Just the %. I work in distribution and at least in my industry that is how it works. May be different in RC though.

edseb

You are correct, that's what I was trying to say, that's why I said "that $.23 percentage." Anyway..

edseb

...plus that's a percentage based on original cost of manufacturing that carries through.