2LikesTamiya TA05MS
05-20-2007, 12:47 PM
#46
I find it interesting that Tamiya have created a "floating" layshaft with this complex cantilevered bulkhead, whereas Schumacher's floating layshaft on the Mi3 is nothing but a single fixed post.
Time will tell which is more efficient and reliable - I know what my money is on!
Time will tell which is more efficient and reliable - I know what my money is on!
05-20-2007, 03:42 PM
#47
Tech Regular
I am sure the Tamiya center shaft will work better than the Mi3 one. I have the Porsche 934 and the that section is strongly built.
05-20-2007, 04:23 PM
#48
Originally Posted by trf_racer
I am sure the Tamiya center shaft will work better than the Mi3 one. I have the Porsche 934 and the that section is strongly built.
05-20-2007, 04:28 PM
#49
Originally Posted by yyhayyim
The only way to be sure is to actually test both systems and compare...have you done that? No...so how are you sure? Time will tell, along with testing and experimenting- get both cars and test them over a few months and compare results and then post what you find.
05-20-2007, 04:34 PM
#50
Anytime people see something they haven't seen before(in this case, floating layshafts), they doubt it. At the same time, everyone complains about the lack of innovation in the TC market. Make up your mind people. Be happy to see something new and different and trust that the companies' have done their R&D properly, or stop complaining about how 'all cars look alike'. 
As for which will work "better". How can one work "better" than the other?
Its a frickin' layshaft, not a set of tires. 
If both of them hold the gears on and don't move, then they've pretty much achieved their goal.
One things for sure though, only ONE of these layshaft designs has been tested under heavy (brushless 4.5) modified racing use, and months and months of ON TRACK abuse. And that's the Mi3 layshaft. The only action the other has seen has been as a 'collectors item'. So how could you be sure the Tamiya design will work better.
As I said though, were talking about layshafts here people. The term 'works better' doesn't really apply. Its like talking about turnbuckles. One turnbuckle doesn't work 'better' than the other. As long as they don't break, its pretty much golden!
As for which will work "better". How can one work "better" than the other?
Its a frickin' layshaft, not a set of tires. If both of them hold the gears on and don't move, then they've pretty much achieved their goal.One things for sure though, only ONE of these layshaft designs has been tested under heavy (brushless 4.5) modified racing use, and months and months of ON TRACK abuse. And that's the Mi3 layshaft. The only action the other has seen has been as a 'collectors item'. So how could you be sure the Tamiya design will work better.
As I said though, were talking about layshafts here people. The term 'works better' doesn't really apply. Its like talking about turnbuckles. One turnbuckle doesn't work 'better' than the other. As long as they don't break, its pretty much golden!
05-20-2007, 04:38 PM
#51
...and once my MS is here we'll put them both through the ringer!!
Originally Posted by Darkseid
Anytime people see something they haven't seen before(in this case, floating layshafts), they doubt it. At the same time, everyone complains about the lack of innovation in the TC market. Make up your mind people. Be happy to see something new and different and trust that the companies' have done their R&D properly, or stop complaining about how 'all cars look alike'.
As for which will work "better". How can one work "better" than the other? Its a frickin' layshaft, not a set of tires. If both of them hold the gears on and don't move, then they've pretty much achieved their goal.
One things for sure though, only ONE of these layshaft designs has been tested under heavy (brushless 4.5) modified racing use, and months and months of ON TRACK abuse. And that's the Mi3 layshaft. The only action the other has seen has been as a 'collectors item'. So how could you be sure the Tamiya design will work better.
As I said though, were talking about layshafts here people. The term 'works better' doesn't really apply. Its like talking about turnbuckles. One turnbuckle doesn't work 'better' than the other. As long as they don't break, its pretty much golden!
As for which will work "better". How can one work "better" than the other?
Its a frickin' layshaft, not a set of tires. If both of them hold the gears on and don't move, then they've pretty much achieved their goal.One things for sure though, only ONE of these layshaft designs has been tested under heavy (brushless 4.5) modified racing use, and months and months of ON TRACK abuse. And that's the Mi3 layshaft. The only action the other has seen has been as a 'collectors item'. So how could you be sure the Tamiya design will work better.
As I said though, were talking about layshafts here people. The term 'works better' doesn't really apply. Its like talking about turnbuckles. One turnbuckle doesn't work 'better' than the other. As long as they don't break, its pretty much golden!
05-20-2007, 06:21 PM
#54
After reading the comments I went to take a look at the Porsche's pic. Only that I noticed that the center layshaft is floating. Assuming, and I believe it is, that the Porsche's and the MS is similar in this department. I am a little concern.
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
05-20-2007, 06:51 PM
#55
I'm sure it's had extensive testing so...I'd also add that I'd bet no more than 25% of that shaft is floating on that end. The other much longer end is ddep within the motor mount. I'll bet it will be fine.
If your spur is wobbling with 2 screws, I'd bet they weren't tightened equally. After rebuilding this cars driveline at least a couple dozen times over the last 2 years I can confirm that WILL happen. I tighten each of the 2 screws just snug, then put the same amount of turns in each one to finish. My spur runs very true.
If your spur is wobbling with 2 screws, I'd bet they weren't tightened equally. After rebuilding this cars driveline at least a couple dozen times over the last 2 years I can confirm that WILL happen. I tighten each of the 2 screws just snug, then put the same amount of turns in each one to finish. My spur runs very true.
Originally Posted by TA05ers
After reading the comments I went to take a look at the Porsche's pic. Only that I noticed that the center layshaft is floating. Assuming, and I believe it is, that the Porsche's and the MS is similar in this department. I am a little concern.
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
05-20-2007, 07:03 PM
#56
The key on all spurs is to not over tighten the screws. If your worried about not having the screws tight enough, just put a dab of thread lock on the tips, then snug them down. That way you can be sure they wont fall out, but still aren't too tight.
05-20-2007, 08:01 PM
#57
Originally Posted by TA05ers
After reading the comments I went to take a look at the Porsche's pic. Only that I noticed that the center layshaft is floating. Assuming, and I believe it is, that the Porsche's and the MS is similar in this department. I am a little concern.
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
I have had problem of a wobbly spur in my 05. Which I feel will affect the overall efficieny and transmission from the motor. Solved the problem by putting 4 screws, instead of 2 as stated on the manual, to tighten up the spur to the pulley.
When I found out about the floating layshaft, I am a little concern. Probably not when you are racing the 23-T stock, but if you throw in a modified or a brushless 4.5. This may raise a few concerns. The power transmitting at that area is simply immense. You need it to be sturdy at all times!
I am not sceptical here, I love new designs and I love the 05. And I am sure that Tamiya have tested and 'abused' it thoroughly and decided that this car is durable and race worthy!!
What the heck, I will still get one come July!!
also check to see if your spur isnt bent to begin with 
05-20-2007, 10:01 PM
#58
I don't think there should be too much concern with the floating lay shaft. Think of it like an axle for the front or rear of the car. That's like a floating lay shaft. And the grip of the tires and cornering forces places a heavy load on the axles and bearings. And they hold up just fine as long as there are no heavy crashes or impacts to the wheels.
05-27-2007, 08:34 AM
#59
Anyone knows if the TA05MS is being used by any of the Tamiya factory drivers in the on-going Reedy?
