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Old 09-05-2007, 07:00 PM   #556
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xanavi, buboy, any update about how much(air scoop)?
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Old 09-06-2007, 12:18 AM   #558
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Here's my set up.... i havent converted the 05MS pdf into an interactive one, so i'll just write it down here.

Body: MazdaSpeed6
Wing: Stock, cut down to ROAR rules. (Body was used at the Reedy Race of Champions)

Tires: RP30s Premounts

Front:
Upper Arm Position: 3
Damper Position: 3
Upper Arm Spacer: 3mm
No spacers under suspension blocks
B/A
#3 on arm
4 deg caster blocks
-2 camber
5mm ride height
25mm droop (measured from top of axle to set up board)
Medium sway bar
No o-ring, bushing in shock
400wt Tamiya oil
Tamiya Yellow Springs
.5mm spacers on axles
5mm clamps


Rear:
Upper Arm Position: 2
Damper Position: 4
Upper Arm Spacer: 3mm
Rear Hub: 0 Deg.
Rear Hub Spacer: 2mm
XB/D
0.7mm spacer underneath XB
#3 on arm
-2 camber
5mm ride height
25mm droop (measured from top of axle to set up board)
Medium sway bar
No o-ring, bushing in shock
400wt Tamiya oil
Tamiya Yellow Springs
.5mm spacers on axles
5mm clamps

Wheelbase:
3mm behind front arm
3mm in front of rear arm
Ackerman: Front hole
Steering rack: no spacers

Drivetrain:
Spool (low position)
Locked center pulley
Diff (w/alum diff halves - high position)

Notes:
Used 1mm short one piece ball studs.
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sure. here's what i know off the top of my head. the rest will come later tonight when i get home.

MazdaSpeed6
RP30s
Novak 13.5 BL
Spool up front.
Chris, are you using standard TA05 front spool? I want to make an hybrid from TA05 spool with TRF415 MRE one... using TA05 aluminum part and delrin outdrives and 415 cups... do you think it could work?? thanks!

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Chris, are you using standard TA05 front spool? I want to make an hybrid from TA05 spool with TRF415 MRE one... using TA05 aluminum part and delrin outdrives and 415 cups... do you think it could work?? thanks!

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yes, im using the original TA05 spool.

i had this chat with a friend of mine..and apparently it can work, but you'll need either from the 415 spool:

1. delrin outdrives and alum. sleeve (best option)
2. older delrin outdrives with alum. end ring.

#1 is better since the sleeve keeps it from splitting open. should be a little bit lighter and less chatter since its delrin instead of the steel.
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Old 09-06-2007, 10:32 AM   #561
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Hey there

Coming weekend i`m going to make first carpet test with my 05MS. I`m so exited to see how it perform on first drive...
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I drove yesterday my MS for the first time on carpet (5 cell, 28R Sorex rubber tires, 8.5 Novak sintered BL).

Since the very first battery I noticed that this car really really steers!

The setup is still under construction and therefore I am not going to 'publish' it here - but all in all I am satisfied and sure that MS is a capable car... ...and the feature I love: it really reacts to setup changes.
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yes, im using the original TA05 spool.

i had this chat with a friend of mine..and apparently it can work, but you'll need either from the 415 spool:

1. delrin outdrives and alum. sleeve (best option)
2. older delrin outdrives with alum. end ring.

#1 is better since the sleeve keeps it from splitting open. should be a little bit lighter and less chatter since its delrin instead of the steel.
cool.. I have some spares from my MSXX... just need the TA05 spool then.... do you have the part number of only the blue aluminium direct holder of the TA05 (in order to not get all the pieces)? thanks! I'm really looking for lightweight and safety... no steel for me on the spool... hehe

thanks!

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cool.. I have some spares from my MSXX... just need the TA05 spool then.... do you have the part number of only the blue aluminium direct holder of the TA05 (in order to not get all the pieces)? thanks! I'm really looking for lightweight and safety... no steel for me on the spool... hehe

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al, sorry bud. i dont know the part number. i think your stuck purchasing the entire spool set up (steel outdrives and all.)
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sorry about the delay, but last Friday I had my first run on the MS and compare it to the MSXX.... you already have seen my armada, so I only will say that both cars were running exactly the same electronics:
1) Novak GTB
2) Novak 3.5R
3) Spektrum Micro Receiver
4) KO Propo PDS-2413ICS (low profile) servo

Both were running diff up front, to make the comparison more realistic... and on stock set up, asphalt rubber. 5-cell, I think around 9.7 ratio.

general impression was 05MS has TONS of steering, I dialed out a lot of steering on the radio and stock setup suffer a bit of the rear coming loose (perhaps due my weight distribution - everything at the front of the motor) off power. But man, no car could take the big sweep after 70 meters of straight with the speed the MS did... I was really amaze of that.... nevertheless I didn't had the time to touch the set-up perhaps putting stronger springs up front (blue).

MSXX was little less radical overall, but I definitely needed to brake before getting into the sweeper... on the infield, I think MSXX performed best. But I'm comparing stock setups between the two. Now first thing I'm going to do is put an spool and blue springs upfront, and start working the setups separately until I'm satisfied and check again....

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al, sorry bud. i dont know the part number. i think your stuck purchasing the entire spool set up (steel outdrives and all.)
no worries, it was on tamiyausa.com on the pdf attached to the spool description... soooo, the correct number for that piece is: #3455927 Holder.

thanks anyway!!

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xanavi, buboy, any update about how much(air scoop)?
nope, not yet... Never been to lils since last last week... Due to examination week... And besides, I am also not sure if it is already in stock here in the Philippines... Will check maybe later...
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Thank you Hebiki for posting your setup. I've been overlooking the fact that the diff heights can be adjusted. It might be just the thing I need to get my TA05MS spool setup right.

Also, thank you rampal for your report. It was very interesting! Keep us updated! I had a similar experience with running a hot motor with the ESC mounted in front of the motor.

I originally set up my TA05MS with a silver can and an old Tekin G12cIII because the local races are held on a tiny course and only silver cans run with stick packs are allowed. I put the ESC in front of the motor and the car ran well with that amount of power. In that configuration, I put the car on four scales and found the weight to be almost evenly distributed amongst the four wheels.

But when I found out that I can't make the local races because of time conflicts, I hastily threw a 10 turn Orion V2 motor in the car to have some friendly racing on our own larger course and to better learn the characteristics of the car. With all that added power combined with the unprepared surface, the lack of rear traction was apparent when powering out of corners.

Anyway, fast forward to now, and I am running my Novak GTB in my TA05MS mounted in the rear of the motor. I don't remember exactly how much weight difference there is between the front and the rear now, but it is significant in comparison to mounting the ESC in front of the motor. I've used the 13.5SS, 10.5SS, and a 5.5R and found the rear wheel traction to be much better. In fact, I don't have a problem at all with the lack of rear wheel traction.

Next time I'll get four ends of the car on scales in the pic .
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What will be the effect if i will move the steering linkage of the front upright into the lower hole? right now it's in the upper position(stock setting).

HI_808, what do you think is best or much better in placing the electronics? the ESC on the back of the motor or ESC infront of the motor?
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