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Old 04-14-2007, 06:56 PM   #16
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I bought an up graded end bell when they first came out and it came with a small bearing as well as the end bell with the large one, and I just put it in the pit box. I would guess a 13.5 will never wear it out if you leave the heavy grease in it?
Modified motors may wear it out though?
I PUT A 3.5 R MOTOR IN A BOLINK LEGEND BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, JUST TO DO SOMETHING FREAKY. WE RUN LEGENDS IN A 8 SECOND BREAKOUT CLASS AT OUR LOCAL TRACK SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THE TIME, LOL LOL. PLUS I RUN 6 CELL GP'S. BY WHAT NOVAK STATES ABOUT THE 3.5, IT WILL TURN 10,500 RPM'S FOR EVERY VOLT. SO I HAVE AT HAND 75,600 RPM'S GIVE OR TAKE.AND I HAVE BENT A TON OF AXLES SHOWING OUT WITH IT AT OUR TRACK AND A BENEFIT RACE TRYING TO ACHEIVE MAXIMUM SPEED DOWN THE STRAIGHTS.

I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS, OTHER THAN TAKING IT APART TO BLOW IT OUT, I HAVE NEVER OILED OR CLEANED THEM AND THE BEARINGS HAVE HELD UP FINE. AND WITH IT BEING TORTURED LIKE THAT SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE GIVE BY NOW. BUT I KEPT MY STOCK BEARINGS FROM THE 13.5 AND 4300 JUST IN CASE.

I LOVE BRUSHLESS , IT'S ALL I HAVE IN MY CARS NOW !!
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I PUT A 3.5 R MOTOR IN A BOLINK LEGEND BACK WHEN IT WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, JUST TO DO SOMETHING FREAKY. WE RUN LEGENDS IN A 8 SECOND BREAKOUT CLASS AT OUR LOCAL TRACK SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THE TIME, LOL LOL. PLUS I RUN 6 CELL GP'S. BY WHAT NOVAK STATES ABOUT THE 3.5, IT WILL TURN 10,500 RPM'S FOR EVERY VOLT. SO I HAVE AT HAND 75,600 RPM'S GIVE OR TAKE.AND I HAVE BENT A TON OF AXLES SHOWING OUT WITH IT AT OUR TRACK AND A BENEFIT RACE TRYING TO ACHEIVE MAXIMUM SPEED DOWN THE STRAIGHTS.

I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS, OTHER THAN TAKING IT APART TO BLOW IT OUT, I HAVE NEVER OILED OR CLEANED THEM AND THE BEARINGS HAVE HELD UP FINE. AND WITH IT BEING TORTURED LIKE THAT SOMETHING SHOULD HAVE GIVE BY NOW. BUT I KEPT MY STOCK BEARINGS FROM THE 13.5 AND 4300 JUST IN CASE.

I LOVE BRUSHLESS , IT'S ALL I HAVE IN MY CARS NOW !!
I have cleaned the bearings on one motor and have never cleaned a can.
Never had to, running on carpet is all I run on. When I cleaned the bearings it was a 4300 and it really didn't make a big enough difference to constitute doing it again.
And I'm 100% brushless Lipo to, Heres a shot of my collection. I to can run any class of speed. And I live for the straight away.
Its a home made case from a motor case and a battery case.
I just need a 3.5 and a 5800 and I'm done with my collection and I will be 100% vested. Its all tires and bodies from there.

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Old 04-14-2007, 07:32 PM   #18
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UN, THAT'S QUITE THE COLLECTION.

I STARTED WITH THE 4300 WHEN I BOUGHT MY FIRST GTB. FROM THERE I JUST STARTED BUYING FASTER AND FASTER. 5800, 7.5 6.5 5.5 4.5 AND NOW TO THE 3.5.

UNLIKE YOU THOUGH I SOLD THE MOTOR I HAD TO BUY THE NEXT ONE UP. I CURRENTLY HAVE A 4300 WITH THE UPGRADED , NOT SINTERED THOUGH, ROTOR, A FULL RACE 13.5 AND THE MEAN 3.5 R.

THE ONLY ONE I EVERY GET TO RACE FULL STRENGTH IS THE 13.5 . THE OTHER 2 ARE IN BREAKOUT CARS.

BUT THE POWER IS THERE IF I NEED IT. AND I CAN RUN 4300 WITH A SWITCH OF CAP TIRES AND SOME SPRING ADJUSTMENTS.

I LOVE IT. I KNOW BRUSHED MOTOR GUYS LOVE TO TINKER WITH MOTORS BUT BRUSHLESS IS JUST WONDERFUL NOT TO CONVERT TO. IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES.

LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SETUP, TIRES, AND BATTERIES NOW !!
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UN, THAT'S QUITE THE COLLECTION.

I STARTED WITH THE 4300 WHEN I BOUGHT MY FIRST GTB. FROM THERE I JUST STARTED BUYING FASTER AND FASTER. 5800, 7.5 6.5 5.5 4.5 AND NOW TO THE 3.5.

UNLIKE YOU THOUGH I SOLD THE MOTOR I HAD TO BUY THE NEXT ONE UP. I CURRENTLY HAVE A 4300 WITH THE UPGRADED , NOT SINTERED THOUGH, ROTOR, A FULL RACE 13.5 AND THE MEAN 3.5 R.

THE ONLY ONE I EVERY GET TO RACE FULL STRENGTH IS THE 13.5 . THE OTHER 2 ARE IN BREAKOUT CARS.

BUT THE POWER IS THERE IF I NEED IT. AND I CAN RUN 4300 WITH A SWITCH OF CAP TIRES AND SOME SPRING ADJUSTMENTS.

I LOVE IT. I KNOW BRUSHED MOTOR GUYS LOVE TO TINKER WITH MOTORS BUT BRUSHLESS IS JUST WONDERFUL NOT TO CONVERT TO. IT'S A SIGN OF THE TIMES.

LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SETUP, TIRES, AND BATTERIES NOW !!
At our track the 3.5 is called the parts breaker 3.5
4.5 is as fast as I can go till I get the 3.5.
Maybe by the time I can get the 3.5 they will have a 2.5
About the only motor at our track that I run full bore is the 4300, heres a pic of our traveling trophy we hand off on Tuesday nights from winner to winner.
Unfortunately I haven't brought it home for a while.

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heres a pic of our traveling trophy we hand off on Tuesday nights from winner to winner.
Unfortunately I haven't brought it home for a while.
Kewl trophy! Hope you get it soon...
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HAHAHA, LOVE THE ARMATURE STICKING UP OUT OF THE BASE, NICE TOUCH !!!

YEAH THE 3.5 ISN'T FOR THE FAINT OF HEART OR POCKET BOOK. THE LEGENDS HAVE FAIRLY STRONG STEEL AXLES AND AS OF NOW I HAVE BENT 3 OF THEM. 2 OF THEM BENT SO BAD THAT THE RIGHT REAR TIRE WOULD WEDGE UP UNDER THE BODY AND WANT NOT WANT TO ROLL. OF COURSE THE FIRST TIME I JUST POWERED ON THROUGH IT AND WATCHED THE BODY PEEL THE FOAM TIRE LIKE IT WAS A APPLE IN ONE OF THOSE RONCO PEELERS, HAHAHAHA !!

THEN I SWITCHED TO CAP TIRES.
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THE TROPHY LOOKS LIKE GENE SIMMONS IN HIS BEST KISS OUTFIT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THE POST.
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THE TROPHY LOOKS LIKE GENE SIMMONS IN HIS BEST KISS OUTFIT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THE POST.
I'm making one for our stock rubber and our foam stock. Then I'm making a real big one for Mod. If I can get some mod going.
I thought you guys might like to see that one. This summer for dirt, I may make one out of a mister potato head toy.
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is there a difference between the orange timing ring and the regular black timing ring?
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is there a difference between the orange timing ring and the regular black timing ring?
I'm under the impression they changed the colors just to be able to tell which version it is. I have noticed a difference in the stater's. Some are green and some are orange. Also the RTR Losis are black and from what I heard they are plastic? I'm not sure if its the ring or the end bells.
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is there a difference between the orange timing ring and the regular black timing ring?
Supposedly none.

Orange is there to indicate that it is a 13.5. And Green ring indicates it is a 10.5.
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ON THE OLDER 13.5 MOTORS THE BLACK TIMING RING CAN BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT. TO ADJUST THE TIMING. FROM WHAT I READ AT NOVAKS SITE THE ORANGE RING IS "LOCKED" SO IT CAN'T BE ADJUSTED. I THOUGHT IT WAS TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE A HANDOUT MOTOR. EVERYONE RUNNING THE SAME. PLUS LIKE BILL SAID , TO IDENTIFY WHAT MOTOR IS IN IT. THEORETICALLY SOMEONE CAN CHANGE THE PURPLE CENTER RING ON THE OLDER MOTORS AND RUN A 4300 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS LONG AS THE TRACK OPERATOR DOESN'T CHECK IT OUT. AND YOU DON'T JUST UP AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE RACERS IN THE DUST. THAT MAKES IT KINDA HARD TO CHEAT, LOL LOL !!

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TINKERING WITH THE RING. WHEN I FIRST FOUND THAT YOU COULD ADJUST IT I PUT NEGATIVE TIMING IN IT OR TIMED IT OUT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND IT SLOWED IT DOWNED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

I HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE NEW 13.5 AND PROBABLY WON'T SINCE I CAN UPGRADE MINE AND HAVE THE SAME MOTOR.

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The orange ring is not "locked" it is just colored to make teching easier. With that said I advanced the timing on my 13.5 tonight, the benifit is marginal at best It want really even worth a tenth on the track.
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ON THE OLDER 13.5 MOTORS THE BLACK TIMING RING CAN BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT. TO ADJUST THE TIMING. FROM WHAT I READ AT NOVAKS SITE THE ORANGE RING IS "LOCKED" SO IT CAN'T BE ADJUSTED. I THOUGHT IT WAS TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE A HANDOUT MOTOR. EVERYONE RUNNING THE SAME. PLUS LIKE BILL SAID , TO IDENTIFY WHAT MOTOR IS IN IT. THEORETICALLY SOMEONE CAN CHANGE THE PURPLE CENTER RING ON THE OLDER MOTORS AND RUN A 4300 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AS LONG AS THE TRACK OPERATOR DOESN'T CHECK IT OUT. AND YOU DON'T JUST UP AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE RACERS IN THE DUST. THAT MAKES IT KINDA HARD TO CHEAT, LOL LOL !!

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TINKERING WITH THE RING. WHEN I FIRST FOUND THAT YOU COULD ADJUST IT I PUT NEGATIVE TIMING IN IT OR TIMED IT OUT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT AND IT SLOWED IT DOWNED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

I HAVEN'T BOUGHT THE NEW 13.5 AND PROBABLY WON'T SINCE I CAN UPGRADE MINE AND HAVE THE SAME MOTOR.

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The timing rings (old and new, black or colored) on the 13.5 motors are not "locked". They are all adjustable about 1/8" in each direction. Please go to the Team Novak website to read what the "locked" term applies to. It's something else.

The Team Novak website also has a Motor Tech article to help race directors determine the "Motor Compliance" of a BL with an Inductance Meter.
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WELL I WENT BACK OVER TO NOVAK AND YOU RIGHT IT DOESN'T MENTION A LOCKED RING BUT I KNOW I READ THAT SOMEWHERE. MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOWER, CAN'T REMEMBER. I KNOW I SAW IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT "WHY" ??
LOL LOL

LIKE YOU SAID, THE GAIN IS MINIMAL AND WITH MY CASE I WENT THE WRONG WAY WITH THE RING AND NOTICED A SHARP DROP OF POWER NEAR THE END OF THE HEAT.

I JUST HOPE MY LOCAL TRACK DOESN'T MAKE US START RUNNING THESE. I WILL PROBABLY NEVER GO TO A NATIONAL OR SANCTIONED RACE SO I HAVE NO WORRIES THERE.

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