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Old 03-29-2007, 09:34 AM   #16
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Well, there are standards to the brushless motors, but they are for modified.....Tekin from my understanding chose to make their motors not conform to those standards......as have other companies like Castle Creations.

And while there are no stock or 19t based rules.....both Novak and LRP made their motors at least to the modified rules.....though the LRP 13.5 is rated as a 23t, not a 27t.....thats all we need, is the stock cars going faster......

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Well, there are standards to the brushless motors, but they are for modified.....Tekin from my understanding chose to make their motors not conform to those standards......as have other companies like Castle Creations.

And while there are no stock or 19t based rules.....both Novak and LRP made their motors at least to the modified rules.....though the LRP 13.5 is rated as a 23t, not a 27t.....thats all we need, is the stock cars going faster......

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Not exactly Eddie, in Europe Tekin's motors will be legal as the rules have been opened to Delta wound motors, starting in 3 days
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Well, Europe then chooses to be even farther off the rest of the RC world....

You will spend all year running 5 cell delta wound brushless.......show up to a IFMAR event and wonder why nothing works.....my guess, cause you have been running stuff outside the rest of us and now have to somehow adapt before the mains on sunday.....

Having all the countries on different standards is doing nothing to help the industry....

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Just to clear up the Spec19 vs 4300kV............Ok. The "Spec19" motor will be our motor that is the most even with a 19T brushed motor. It is essentially a 10T Brushless motor at 4300kV. The regular 4300kV (which we are calling our "Mild-Mod" Offroad motor) is a 6T brushless. The Spec19 is a milder version of the 4300kV 6T, as it is a 10T Brushless so it will be even with a 19T Brushed.

Brushless winding turns don't correlate easily to brushed turns, thus the strange rating system. Even I get confused in it too, but it's ok. Just know that:

Spec19 4300kV = 19T Brushed
4300kV Mild-Mod = about 12-13T Brushed
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Well, Europe then chooses to be even farther off the rest of the RC world....

You will spend all year running 5 cell delta wound brushless.......show up to a IFMAR event and wonder why nothing works.....my guess, cause you have been running stuff outside the rest of us and now have to somehow adapt before the mains on sunday.....

Having all the countries on different standards is doing nothing to help the industry....

Later EddieO
Blame it on other countries to screw things up for the rest of "us"...and having different units of measurement "standard vs. metric" isnt helping either!!!.....eye dee 10 tee syndrome has set in...I dont think the AMA has come with a cure as of yet...LOL
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Well, Europe then chooses to be even farther off the rest of the RC world....

You will spend all year running 5 cell delta wound brushless.......show up to a IFMAR event and wonder why nothing works.....my guess, cause you have been running stuff outside the rest of us and now have to somehow adapt before the mains on sunday.....

Having all the countries on different standards is doing nothing to help the industry....

Later EddieO

Or maybe, you will spend all year running 6 cells Y wound brushless, then turn up at IFMAR where they'll be running 5-cell delta wound...

Think EFRA went the right way in modifying their rules, they go in the way of the users not the way of what the rest of the world uses.
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Blame it on other countries to screw things up for the rest of "us"...and having different units of measurement "standard vs. metric" isnt helping either!!!.....eye dee 10 tee syndrome has set in...I dont think the AMA has come with a cure as of yet...LOL
Difference is...standard and metric aren't part of what ruling bodies have control over as far as the rules. Europe is the only place running 5-cell (though ROAR does allow it as long as you make weight) and now the only ones allowing sensorless motors...looks like they're trying to push themselves and TCs farther from other countries, sanctioning bodies and other forms of electric racing. Great, more TC politics.
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Difference is...standard and metric aren't part of what ruling bodies have control over as far as the rules. Europe is the only place running 5-cell (though ROAR does allow it as long as you make weight) and now the only ones allowing sensorless motors...looks like they're trying to push themselves and TCs farther from other countries, sanctioning bodies and other forms of electric racing. Great, more TC politics.
8.7.5.1 Sensored or sensorless motors are allowed.

Straight from the ROAR rule book. Europe is the only place running 5-cell, yes. But Japan was the only one racing 4-cell and everyone was jumping around saying we need to go to 4 cells. Has it happened ?

No, EFRA went 5-cell and japan aren't keeping 4-cell. Results from the winter testing showed 5-cell isn't any slower than 6-cell, I guess we'll see in a couple of months if that is still true outdoors. My guess is probably the rest will follow, like with 4-cell in 12th scale a few years back.
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8.7.5.1 Sensored or sensorless motors are allowed.

Straight from the ROAR rule book. Europe is the only place running 5-cell, yes. But Japan was the only one racing 4-cell and everyone was jumping around saying we need to go to 4 cells. Has it happened ?

No, EFRA went 5-cell and japan aren't keeping 4-cell. Results from the winter testing showed 5-cell isn't any slower than 6-cell, I guess we'll see in a couple of months if that is still true outdoors. My guess is probably the rest will follow, like with 4-cell in 12th scale a few years back.
Oops, forgot about that. Sorry.

As for the 4-cell thing...NOBODY was jumping around FOR it. It was suggested and everyone fought against it. I won't discuss that anymore here...not the thread for it.
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man, if you want to argue the toss about respective organising bodies rules, MAKE A THREAD, this one is for a product from Tekin.
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Oops, forgot about that. Sorry.

As for the 4-cell thing...NOBODY was jumping around FOR it. It was suggested and everyone fought against it. I won't discuss that anymore here...not the thread for it.
Yes, and what did I say at the end...not the thread for it.

Oh, I'm looking forward to the new Stuff too. It'll be nice to see an assortment of brushless stuff in the Stock and Spec range...
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Nobody will follow to 5 cell......they will follow to lipo sooner or later....which can't produce a 5 cell equal pack.....

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I have seen laptimes from last summer in mod 6 cell and on the same track in late winter with brushless 5 cell, and 5 cell is faster as the car is much much lighter than last year.

But basicaly, if ROAR don't do it, nor should any of the other governing bodies? EFRA asked member bodies to try things, and the BRCA have found that the best way was 5cell. 4cell was too much, 5 cell seems to fit in nicely for mod touring.
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It seems to me that when it comes to racing "slower" brushless like the 13.5 or 10.5 brushless motors, the only way to have an equal race is if everyone has the same brand motor ..... everyone I race 13.5 with has a Novak .... is that how it is everywhere else? Everyone races the exact same motor?
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So when are these motors coming out? Tower hobbies has them as order pending. What does that mean? It use to say late March. I assume that it didn't meet a release date and has been pushed back indefinatley.
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